Had a first bad experiences with pro hormones and also seemingly with clomid for PCT.
I am male,43, 5'10, 113kg 20% bf, 20years training.
Long story short, I started my first proho's, a 4 week Msten cycle at recommended dosage, 2 caps/day. By day 16 I had to stop due to extreme ball pain. I'm not talking about "blue balls" that can be relieved manually. It started off like that, I thought no bigge, as I had heard it is not unusual to get some discomfort when your T production shuts down or starts up again.
I started to get a bit worried when the ache became more frequent, then pretty constant. One night I woke up to a strange sensation in my balls, it felt like they had turned into liquid, though it wasn't a painful feeling. Low and behold they had become very soft to the touch but hadn't lost any size.
I hoped that would be the end of it, but by 2 days later the ache was constant, so I went off the Msten.
The guy who sold me the stuff said it was a short cycle so it probably wouldn't shut me down, sold me some Cellucor P6 for PCT. I talked to the sellers boss, who has 4 years of proho use, he said I did the right thing to stop when I did, as the pain was excessive.
The pain did start to lessen, still took ibuprofen and by a weeks time it was gone, balls became a little less jellied of their own accord. By this time I had received some clomid, and took this 25mg/day. I could feel a good sensation in my balls minutes later and they quickly regained meatiness, and firmness, in a couple of days.
After about a week on the clomid even at the low dose I started to get a dry mouth, achy sinuses, sore joints, flu like symptoms, which increased in severity despite an increased water intake. I had heard clomid was a very safe drug especially at low doses, and for short periods.
After a week of this and no improvement with the flu like symptoms I thought I'd go off the clomid and by 2 days I had gone back to normal. My balls feel good still a week since, but becoming more normal like pre cycle, not hard and massive.
I'm after some sage advice, as to whether side effects like extremely painful ball shutdown are compound specific and or dose amount specific? I have since heard of guys getting the same bad ball pain from epistane, yet had previous good proho use with other compounds.
Would it be worthwhile trying an injectable test cycle instead or am I likely to get mad sore balls from that when I shut down too?
Same thing with the clomid. Should I go back on the clomid at a half dose (12.5mg) or would nolva be a better product for my PCT?
Thanks in advance.