I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
[quote]100meters wrote:
So SteelyD on record: against job creation/saving economy. Strange position.[/quote]
I’m not quite sure I read where I said that anywhere in this thread. Please find where I said that.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
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Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah! These folks are acting like a bunch of taxdollars and borrowed money just got spent, without much debate on how, and on what. [/quote]
The NERVE!
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah! These folks are acting like a bunch of taxdollars and borrowed money just got spent, without much debate on how, and on what.
The NERVE![/quote]
Doh! Just edited it, too!
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
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“The problem goes well beyond the failed banks. The issue can’t be resolved because important clients of the banking lobby have a stranglehold on the Dept of Treasury and are sabotaging the rescue operation. In fact, it’s looking more and more like Obama’s election was part of a quid pro quo to ensure that Geithner, Summers and the other “big bank” loyalists would continue to control the levers of political power during the stormy years ahead, otherwise they would do what is necessary and and shut them down now.”
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article8880.html
Obama is a front man for powerful banking and Wall Street interests. You guys on the Left should be as pissed off as we Conservatives are, with Bush being sold to us as a Conservative.
More:
"Geithner employed the same obfuscating techniques as Alan Greenspan. He tried to affect the look of a man who was deeply concerned while rattling off well-rehearsed statements that revealed absolutely nothing about his real intentions.
?I completely understand the desire for details and commitments," Geithner opined with heartfelt sincerity, “but we’re going to do this carefully so we don’t put ourselves in the position again…This is the beginning of the process of consultation.” The there was this gem worthy of Maestro himself, “We are exploring a range of different structures” to deal with precisely that issue.
Right.
Most of the critics believe that Geithner is in over his head, but that’s probably not the case. More likely, he has a plan but wants to keep the public in the dark. After all, there’s no graceful way to tell people that they are about to get shafted for another $2 trillion to keep the larder on Wall Street full of Dom Perignon and chocolate truffles."
[quote]John S. wrote:
Please tell me how throwing billions into none income generating project stimulates the economy.
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Wow.
So your grasp of economic matters, very low.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
100meters wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
… read the 1100+ page abomination before voting for it.
Nobody knows what’s in that bill, yet people support these clowns.
The Founders are rolling in their graves.
An abomination, but YOU haven’t read it. Weird. Almost hypocritical.
This seemed to be talking point of the day on Rush and Hannity, who both felt free to critique even though obviously, they’ve never read it.
Not really Hundo, you’re missing the point. Why is it getting voted on if no one has read it? Besides the fact that it’s pork (though Dear Leader said there wasn’t a single earmark) even if you are for stimulus you should probably wait a little longer until you can read it before you vote on it.
Besides, do you really need to read the whole thing if you’re going to vote Nay? All you need to do is find something damning in the bill. But if you’re voting Yea then you DO need to read the whole thing to make sure there ISN’T anything damning in it.
mike[/quote]
Got it. Vote nay, no reading or understanding required. Vote yes, word for word reading of entire new bill, even if you were involved in writing/or previously read the 95% of the bill that has been previously voted on and debated and constructed over the last month is required.
Does this make any sense at all? Nope.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
So SteelyD on record: against job creation/saving economy. Strange position.
I’m not quite sure I read where I said that anywhere in this thread. Please find where I said that.
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you rejected at face value the saving of economy and jobs, i.e. the stimulus. Did you forget that already?
No stimulus = millions more jobs lost and continuing downward spiral of economy. And you reject it.
Clearly not one of our brighter Americans are you?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.[/quote]
Uh, the bill wasn’t wrote in its entirety yesterday.
Wow. You certainly told me!
The KoolAid certainly is potent down there in Mass.
I can tell that you swallow.
[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.
Uh, the bill wasn’t wrote in its entirety yesterday. [/quote]
Great. Then you should object to congressmen only having recieved a final bill to review at 12:30 the preceding night. Some of us aren’t going to rubber stamp billions of pork barrel spending just because your big government buddies called it a stimulus package. Hold it for review. Oh, I forget we’ll all die of starvation unless we jump without looking. Brilliant!
[quote]100meters wrote:
Maybe you don’t get what the stimulus is designed to do? [/quote]
There is a difference between an entrepreneur who spends money to bring about productive employment and a politicians who spends money to bring about purely consumptive employment.
One type of employment leads to wealth generation and the other to wealth destruction. I urge you to figure out which one is which.
Hint: Politicians are not going to create employment that bring about any new goods that can be sold overseas; however, they will divert resources from the already productive enterprises and raise costs on all of them.
[quote]100meters wrote:
John S. wrote:
Please tell me how throwing billions into none income generating project stimulates the economy.
Wow.
So your grasp of economic matters, very low. [/quote]
I am afraid I understand even the basics my friend and that is if you if you put a large amount of money into project that do not generate the exact same amount of money or greater that would be considered deficit spending. When you are trying to generate the economy that is the last thing you want to do.
The jobs he is trying to say he is creating will most likely be completed after 6-12 months.
[quote]hedo wrote:
<<< Maybe get the constitution repealed >>>[/quote]
Fixed that for ya. Not that it really makes any difference any more. Nobody cares what the constitution says or what the intent of the men who founded this country was. Seriously, The United States of America and being an American are now defined purely in terms of geography.
The larger noble principles that once defined this nation ARE lost. They’re not being lost or blurred, they are gone. Face it. The complacent dependent weaklings crying, gimme, gimme, gimme, I’m owed, I’m owed, I’m owed will continue to vote in these abominable socialist destroyers until every last vestige of this once prosperous and mighty nation is erased for good.
Just wait until the brain dead retards now populating our institutes of alleged higher learning come to power.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.
Uh, the bill wasn’t wrote in its entirety yesterday.
Great. Then you should object to congressmen only having recieved a final bill to review at 12:30 the preceding night. Some of us aren’t going to rubber stamp billions of pork barrel spending just because your big government buddies called it a stimulus package. Hold it for review. Oh, I forget we’ll all die of starvation unless we jump without looking. Brilliant![/quote]
The important part is the bill passed right? It doesn’t matter if republicans didn’t read the bill (they sure jumped without looking), they don’t need to. Their strategy as dictated by Rush, hope for failure.
That might be fine for the party of head in sanders,steely D, etc., but of course some of us (most of us) still care about the fate of the country, and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).
(you’re aware of the current economic crisis right? can never remember if you pretend to be ignorant, or are genuinely ignorant.)
[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.
Uh, the bill wasn’t wrote in its entirety yesterday.
Great. Then you should object to congressmen only having recieved a final bill to review at 12:30 the preceding night. Some of us aren’t going to rubber stamp billions of pork barrel spending just because your big government buddies called it a stimulus package. Hold it for review. Oh, I forget we’ll all die of starvation unless we jump without looking. Brilliant!
The important part is the bill passed right? It doesn’t matter if republicans didn’t read the bill (they sure jumped without looking), they don’t need to. Their strategy as dictated by Rush, hope for failure.
That might be fine for the party of head in sanders,steely D, etc., but of course some of us (most of us) still care about the fate of the country, and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).
(you’re aware of the current economic crisis right? can never remember if you pretend to be ignorant, or are genuinely ignorant.)[/quote]
collectivist tripe!
[quote]100meters wrote:
The important part is the bill passed right? It doesn’t matter if republicans didn’t read the bill (they sure jumped without looking), they don’t need to. Their strategy as dictated by Rush, hope for failure.
That might be fine for the party of head in sanders,steely D, etc., but of course some of us (most of us) still care about the fate of the country, and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).
[/quote]
The important part is just that the bill passed…Doesn’t matter if the final bill was read and debated…
Well, doesn’t that beat all. It appears as long as government shovels money into the money pit (doesn’t matter what amount of funds actually go where) and has Obama’s support, everything else is superfluous.
Oh yes, I’m aware. But since pork barrel spending didn’t prevent the crises, I doubt it’ll solve it. =p And, I’m positive we’ll all regret the hell out of this in the future. The next couple generations will absolutely despise us.
Anyways, how much is my share of the debt now? Spend! Spend! Spend!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
The important part is the bill passed right? It doesn’t matter if republicans didn’t read the bill (they sure jumped without looking), they don’t need to. Their strategy as dictated by Rush, hope for failure.
That might be fine for the party of head in sanders,steely D, etc., but of course some of us (most of us) still care about the fate of the country, and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).
The important part is just that the bill passed…Doesn’t matter if the final bill was read and debated…
Well, doesn’t that beat all. It appears as long as government shovels money into the money pit (doesn’t matter what amount of funds actually go where) and has Obama’s support, everything else is superfluous.
(you’re aware of the current economic crisis right? can never remember if you pretend to be ignorant, or are genuinely ignorant.)
Oh yes, I’m aware. But since pork barrel spending didn’t prevent the crises, I doubt it’ll solve it. =p And, I’m positive we’ll all regret the hell out of this in the future. The next couple generations will absolutely despise us.
Anyways, how much is my share of the debt now? Spend! Spend! Spend!
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the tiny amount of pork spending previously wouldn’t have done anything to prevent this. Regulating the investment banks leveraging themselves 44 to 1 on real estate derivatives bought at their peak, now that would have prevented something. Oh, well. Lesson learned. Again.
[quote]100meters wrote:
… and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).
[/quote]
Please, oh please show me where that number comes from. I implore you.