First of all, did you just list every single Biotest product and want to stack them all in one go??
Secondly, if you are new to supps, like the others suggested first work on getting all the other stuff sorted (training, diet, sleep etc.).
Then move onto the basics. I am purposefully mentioning supplement types and not specific Biotest products. As good as they are, most of them are for the intermediate/advanced supplement user so it may be worth your while to hang on before using them. Start with a good multivitamin, EFA/fish/flax oils, protein supplementation.
Then I would move onto basic supps which have almost become a staple: creatine for example. I would then progress to nootropics/energy supps, and then finally if you need, hormone-related supps (of which there are many subcategories).
What reconbyfire said. Take all that money, spend it on food and get your eating straight first. This will do more for you than any supplement. If everything you listed was more important than food and a good plan, they would be called necessities not supplements.
Spend $100 or so you have set aside for supps and buy Berardi’s Precision Nutrition. You’ll be much better off.
Get a good solid workout plan in first that sticks to the basics like bench, pullups, deads, squats, etc. Do that for a month or two.
Then start eating reasonably clean. 4 good meals a day and a snack or two in between. Lean protein good carbs fruit and veggie. Do these two for another month
IMO - Surge did not do much for me. But there’s a lot of folks on here saying it does. Worth a try. Can’t hurt.
Spike is a great product. Metabolic Drive is a great product.
I’ve tried the Alpha Male and the RED KAT. The RED KAT, to me, was just as good at half the price.
I also agree with a good multiV and Fish oil caps.
Other than that maybe some creatine. MAYBE. But I would get my lifting and nutrition in order first. That will be 98% of your battle. Supplements supplement.
Spike and HOT-ROX should NOT be taken together, as they both has vasodilator effects and could potentially be dangerous, though anecdotally this is not the case. I think RED KAT is in the same boat. Methoxy-7 is fair game I believe.
Surge and Metabolic Drive are basically food. I don’t even consider them supps. They are just another source of calories on your list.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
Fahd wrote:
You could’ve just said ‘buy everything Biotest makes’
I was covering the products that the original poster listed.
I typically don’t like to take that many supplements together. I do, however, feel that these are all quality products.
Do you have a problem with them?[/quote]
No I have problem with your recommendation not to buy a multivitamin. For someone who claimed to be highly educated and qualified in this field, please explain why this study contradicted your statement:
“CONCLUSIONS: Supplementation with a multivitamin formulated at about 100% Daily Value can decrease the prevalence of suboptimal vitamin status in older adults and improve their micronutrient status to levels associated with reduced risk for several chronic diseases.”
[quote]Fahd wrote:
ChrisKing wrote:
Fahd wrote:
You could’ve just said ‘buy everything Biotest makes’
I was covering the products that the original poster listed.
I typically don’t like to take that many supplements together. I do, however, feel that these are all quality products.
Do you have a problem with them?
No I have problem with your recommendation not to buy a multivitamin. For someone who claimed to be highly educated and qualified in this field, please explain why this study contradicted your statement:
“CONCLUSIONS: Supplementation with a multivitamin formulated at about 100% Daily Value can decrease the prevalence of suboptimal vitamin status in older adults and improve their micronutrient status to levels associated with reduced risk for several chronic diseases.”
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Hey, I believe a multi-vitamin/mineral formulation is great for elderly adults with substandard nutrition, which is the population used in this study, but I don’t see the relevance to those following the nutritional advise given here.
Besides, your supposed to be a smart guy, so you should know that any one study doesn’t serve of proof for anything. Someone willing to take the time can find studys that refute just about all sound nutritional advise.
Then again, I don’t disagree that my grandma should take a daily Centrum.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
I’ve never seen one make a difference for anyone.
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[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
Hey, I believe a multi-vitamin/mineral formulation is great for elderly adults with substandard nutrition
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Do we see a contradiction here? What is your true opinion: do multivitamins benefit some people (dieting down, crappy diet, elderly people) or as your first quote implied, it does not make a difference to ANYONE?
Funny you mentioned ZMA because its designed mainly for people who are deficient in Zinc etc (good sleep aid as well, if you want to be anal)… So does a multivitamin not help with people who are deficient in various nutrients?