[quote]jre67t wrote:
Dropkick read up on history maybe China has lost some influence with NK, but how else can a country with no income and starving people still have money for an Abomb. [/quote]
Doesn’t the U.S. shovel billions into North Korea every year?
Its beyond me why someone as the elite of NK can be such dicks towards its own people, what does they gain from it. Offcourse all elite`s in all countrys in histroy have been tremendous assholes towards its subjects, but NK is apeshit crazy in comparison with other countrys. Its f***ing absurd.
We shovel it in food and its not up into the Billions it might be upwards to 250 Million still alot, we do it in the name of grace, lol. And also Skazo you help my point out by pointing out that China does not and will not condemn NK. Think of NK like its our Puerto Rico its really our 51st state, but we do not use it to test other countries out.
Why are we so interested in Tibet? Because it could be the next NK. Why does China object to the US sending in a Carrier nearby its shores…?? When we are doing it to protect SK. I am surprised it has not caused more stir than there is.
I’m with Palin on this one. America should support their North-Korean allies 
Like Obama supported our 57 states Molnes…?
I really don’t get that shit, us giving fucking aid in food to a potential enemy. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WAKE UP ONE MORNING AND THINK “Hey, those Americans are pretty decent chaps” just because we give them fucking rice. Instead, their government just looks at it as “great, now we can be concerned with the welfare of our citizens even less, awesome”.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
OK guys stick with me, this is China testing Obama once again, think of the supposedly jet trail of the coast of CA. Also anyone who has read any Korean History along with Mao teachings knows that NK is a puppet of China, only used as a buffer. Mao used the NK regime to start the Korean war and if Kim refused he was gonna invade them. That is why the US took a big interest in this war back then, as it was also backed by the Russians.
This in my opinion is not just saber rattling, think of a few months ago when a SK naval ship was sunk killing 46 soldiers. Also NK just announced a second uranium enrichment unit.
Pb Andy may be right and lets hope thats all…but I was there for 1 yr and I can tell you in peacetime its no joke. Right now its big time serious there for out troops. I can almost guarantee weapons and real ammo has been issued at least I hope so. I honestly do believe China is behind this…read some history on the regime. Also China supplies them with everything how else can this poverty stricken nation have nuclear bombs. China is testing Obama once again and this time if he fails they might go something more drastic. [/quote]
We tend to forget who China really is. Greed and capitalism has all but erased the fact that they are still a communist nation, albeit the bottom feeders of cheap labor.
My brother served in SK on the border in 1994-1995 and it was certainly no joke, then or now. Lots of shit goes on at the border that never makes the papers. NK may not be seemingly able to fund their own nuke program, but they have funneled largely into their military instead of taking care of the people.
So who is best to help them with their war effort? NK has essentially been cut off from obtaining military goods from anyone (unless under the table…) but China. NK is a good buffer between China and the rest of the world and especially the US fleet. They need to keep that going for eternity.
So yes, China is fucking with the Obama once again. Now we have some serious firepower heading to the area in question. This should be interesting in the next few days.
BG
As others said, its hard to see anything escalating with this. Neither side will gain anything and both will have devastating results. But hell thats my opinion
Farmerson China has everything to gain from this, do you think the NK regime cares about its people? I can see an even bigger push by this puppet regime. They want us to stop QE2 at least thats what I think. This is China testing the waters even more or lack of cojones by our fearless leader Obama. This can tip the superpower status of Nations, think of how they own us with debt. Also as beachguy said NK and China are still Commies, ever read the communist maifesto. The Chinese Military is controlled by Communist.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Farmerson China has everything to gain from this, do you think the NK regime cares about its people? I can see an even bigger push by this puppet regime. They want us to stop QE2 at least thats what I think. This is China testing the waters even more or lack of cojones by our fearless leader Obama. This can tip the superpower status of Nations, think of how they own us with debt. Also as beachguy said NK and China are still Commies, ever read the communist maifesto. The Chinese Military is controlled by Communist. [/quote]
I have read the manifesto, and knowhere did it say:
treat the people badly
have a crazy preson as a god-like figure.
start war with your neigbours.
create a totalitarian capitalist state as china is.
one question: have you read the communist manifesto, or did you mistake it for “the prince” by machiavelli?
[quote]florelius wrote:
I have read the manifesto, and knowhere did it say:
treat the people badly
have a crazy preson as a god-like figure.
start war with your neigbours.
create a totalitarian capitalist state as china is.
one question: have you read the communist manifesto, or did you mistake it for “the prince” by machiavelli?[/quote]
well if you’re going to put the Marxist Philosophy into practice in the real world that’s one way to go about it, I suppose.
How else would you make the rich give up what they have to be equal with the poor? How else would you ensure everyone does his share of the work to make the Marxist society happen?
Short of a centrally controlled state dictatorship, how else would you do it?
What Gkhan said flower boy.
[quote]molnes wrote:
I’m with Palin on this one. America should support their North-Korean allies :D[/quote]
Then you must be with Obama and his self proclaimed “Muslim Faith” too right?
“No Senator, you meant Christian”…Lauer.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
I have read the manifesto, and knowhere did it say:
treat the people badly
have a crazy preson as a god-like figure.
start war with your neigbours.
create a totalitarian capitalist state as china is.
one question: have you read the communist manifesto, or did you mistake it for “the prince” by machiavelli?[/quote]
well if you’re going to put the Marxist Philosophy into practice in the real world that’s one way to go about it, I suppose.
How else would you make the rich give up what they have to be equal with the poor? How else would you ensure everyone does his share of the work to make the Marxist society happen?
Short of a centrally controlled state dictatorship, how else would you do it? [/quote]
The goal of marxism is to free the proletariat from the capitalist classsociety. If you create a oneparty state or something similar, you just exchange the capitalist classsociety with the party`s classsociety. thats stupid and it doesnt take us to the goal. socialists who believe that it is necessary with a oneparty state are called leninist. So the poster I respoded to would be better off pointing out to the works of lenin, not marx.
Or maybe Molnes could go to one of the fifty seven states in America, while we cling to our weapons and religion. Silly willy…
Florelius or flowerboy, do you support such a state and if so what state has achieved that. Any who read up on some more history ok. Also I did not mean to type in the Commies Manifesto I meant to type in the 45 goals of the communist ways to take over America. That is my fault.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Or maybe Molnes could go to one of the fifty seven states in America, while we cling to our weapons and religion. Silly willy…
Florelius or flowerboy, do you support such a state and if so what state has achieved that. Any who read up on some more history ok. Also I did not mean to type in the Commies Manifesto I meant to type in the 45 goals of the communist ways to take over America. That is my fault.[/quote]
could you be a bit more specific? what do you meen with: “do you support such a state and if so what state has achieved that”. If you meen a oneparty-state, then the answer is: no I dont support such a state. But if you meen a workersdemocracy, then yes I support that. And no there havent been a state that can bee described as a workersdemocracy.
to the other thing: Ok then we are cool, I responded because I thougt you tried to discreditet the manifesto with irelevant nonsense. But if you ment “the 45 goals of the communist ways to take over america” I dont have a opinion on the matter, because have not read it.
last: because my name have suddenly been changed, I provide you guys a song that do “flowerboy” justice: LOL
Do you support a state as Marxism proposed and like Gkhan said do you even think its remotely possible. Is there any country that closely resembles the belief.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Or maybe Molnes could go to one of the fifty seven states in America, while we cling to our weapons and religion. Silly willy…
Florelius or flowerboy, do you support such a state and if so what state has achieved that. Any who read up on some more history ok. Also I did not mean to type in the Commies Manifesto I meant to type in the 45 goals of the communist ways to take over America. That is my fault.[/quote]
But if you meen a workersdemocracy, then yes I support that. And no there havent been a state that can bee described as a workersdemocracy.
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didnt this answer your question?
when it comes to the possibility of a workersdemocracy. my answer is I hope so, but i dont know for sure if its possible. Its important to remember that political/ideological ideals are normative, they are not descriptiv.
Hope this answers your question.
Well I do not know the workersdemocracy beliefs, I go by the eyeball test in this world. America is wealthy and powerful so it is obvious we are doing something right to benefit its citizens. Like it is obvious to see that China and NK have not done any good with the exception of the last 15-20 years in China.
The Democracy looks like its failing in the EU nations. Im just asking, I read some of your post and you come off as left-winger. Thats why I ask my friend.