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Normal T Levels... For a 70 YO


I don't know where on these forums to post something like this.

I'm a 24 year old male and I've never had any problems like this before. I've gained 20 lbs mostly on the stomach. I am losing muscle and very physically weak compared to last year, my endurance is also a joke. I get tired so easily from doing things that are so simple like gardening. I used to have sleep issues when this started but now I am sleeping through the night or waking up only once during the night which is a good improvement. My libido is gone and I am getting fat.

These are the things that bother me the most along with getting weaker. I am exercising and lifting weights but every time I do it I get so tired and burned out afterwards for at least a day. It's like my pituitary is no longer responding to anything...normally it's supposed to increase testosterone when you lift heavy things and I know it used to do this last year because I would get horny and full of energy the day after lifting heavy. Now the exact opposite happens.

I got my T tested and it is 350...within the normal range. (For a 70 year old) I am 24 and I don't want to live like this anymore. I don't feel like a healthy person. I also have some GI symptoms like runny, loose stool and I have to force myself to get it out. Even then it never feels like I am finished pooping. Sometimes my anus itches because of this and on those days that I feel really terrible there is this foul odor coming from my penis that smells yeasty/fishy. It's disgusting and it's not my hygiene because it gets washed properly every day with the rest of my body. Tested negative for STDs, and again the smell is only there on those days I feel really terrible.

I forgot to mention I also have been diagnosed with hypogonadism and hypothyroidism. I assume because my test is only 350 but my LH and FSH are normal this means I have secondary hypogonadism. The question is why...

Can anybody help me? I am not starving myself and I am eating healthy food and supplements like fish oil, turmeric, maca, and a diet with things like fruit, vegetables, cheese, meat. I am trying a diet without wheat and gluten to see if it helps me...


Please read these stickies:

  • advice for new guys — need more info about you
  • things that damage your hormones
  • finding a TRT doc
  • thyroid basics

Need these labs, in list format with ranges:
LH/FSH - very important to do before TRT
fasting cholesterol
fasting glucose
AM cortisol, do at 8AM please

Lifting weights does not increase T

Check your overall thyroid medication and function by checking body temperatures. See the thyroid basics sticky and find ^F 97.3 reference.

Have you been tested for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease ?

ping me at the KSman is here thread when you have more here for me


Was thinking in the gym …

You have a bacteria overgrowth in your intestines. Perhaps you had some antibiotics that killed the good bacteria and left the bad stuff alive.
This can be quite serious and if C-difficile, people get hospitalized for that.

First take Pepto-Bismol as directed on the label. There are house brands that have same content. Drink water or rinse to there is none remaining in oral cavity. Do not be alarmed, your poop will turn black. Pepto-Bismol has some interesting anti-bacterial action. Might need to take for a week. Might seem to make things worse, but should change the game somewhat.

Then you can eat some high fiber food/cereal and take a really good antibiotic for a month, one with every meal. Google “ultimate flora”. Should be sold refrigerated in better health food shops. This will help get good bacterial colonizing your gut.

Wash your junk very day and use an anti-bacterial soap. Avoid staying damp and sweaty. Gut bacteria are spreading around which is normal.

Glutamine supports intestinal health.

You could take some high potency iodine supplements which have antibacterial action. But that should be done earlier, perhaps with Pepto-Bismol.


Yeah, that is terrible, but the good thing is that you were able to realize that your T levels are actually not normal- contrary to what the doctor said. I had two T-tests over the past 1 1/2 years, one was 300 and the other one was 205- both were considered normal by the doctors as they simply follow the reference range put out by the lab. Luckily I was able to be referred to a sex specialist urologist, who told me that my T-levels were not normal and put me on Clomidiphene Citrate- with the possibility of taking testosterone if that fails.

If you are in the US, I understand its harder to get medical help unless you are willing to spend big money. There are clinics in the US, I see tons of them on the Internet, that are privately run and where they seem to have extensive resources in dealing with these problems.

It is indeed baffling to be told you are fine when you are not fine. I also have high cholesterol (which is also baffling since I eat healthy and always exercise, no smoke and no alcohol) and a slightly underactive thyroid (though by lab definitions, acceptable). I figure all my symptoms correlate.

If I were you, I’d do more investigating.