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Non-Christian Liberals

There seems to be a pattern at least around these threads. Those who are considered of a politically liberal viewpoint also seem to be non-Christians.

I’m not attacking that, in fact, I’m not even sure if it’s true yet. It just seems to be true.

I also get the feeling that those who are conservative call themselves Christians, again not sure.

Help me out on this guys. Are you a liberal non-Christian?

Yeah, 'spose I am one. Although I am really into the works of some of the early church fathers, ie Augustine, Ambrose. They were pretty amazing.

philosophically, i probably agree with more liberal viewpoints than conservative viewpoints. although practically, i am conservative because some things matter more to me than others.

if im anything religious it’s atheist, but i don’t like saying i am because then im obligated to keep other “atheists” in check when they go wrong. when i realized that true atheism is not about amorality, but about personally deciding what values are worth valuing, i understood things a little bit more.

in answer to your question zeb, im non-christian, yet very much like christians in that i believe in morality. i just believe morality doesn’t come from something i cannot experience i.e. the God of the Christians and the Bible.

Liberal and Christian.

I’m a non-Christian conservative.

I am liberal and Christian.

Compassionate conservative is an oxymoron, when conservative by definition means stingy. The message of the New Testament, which is a book of grace, closer resembles the liberal viewpoint than the everyman-for-himself conservative viewpoint.

Well Zeb, you want an easy answer but you won’t get one. I consider myself an agnostic libertarian. However, I believe in many Christian values and morality, more so than some people who call themselves Christians, for their own sake and not because I believe that I will be struck by a lightening bolt if I am “bad.” I think the government should stay out of people’s personal lives, and if you think about it, there is only so much that the government can do. It is the parents’ responsibility to raise moral kids, not the government’s. If you do a good job as a parent, it won’t matter that the laws don’t prohibit certain temptations. If you do a good job as a parent, your children will have internalized their moral values and will adhere to those values regardless of what the law says.

I’m an anti-religion christian conservative.

Just remember… Jesus was a liberal jew.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
There seems to be a pattern at least around these threads. Those who are considered of a politically liberal viewpoint also seem to be non-Christians.

I’m not attacking that, in fact, I’m not even sure if it’s true yet. It just seems to be true.

I also get the feeling that those who are conservative call themselves Christians, again not sure.

Help me out on this guys. Are you a liberal non-Christian?

[/quote]

Hey Zeb,
slightly different question but, do you think there are any non-conservative Republicans or non-liberal Democrats on this board? Or does Republican = conservative and Democrat = liberal?

Non-Christian, and what you would call liberal - that’s me. :slight_smile:

Makkun

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I’m an anti-religion christian conservative.[/quote]

That sounds intresting explain if you will.

I am a non-religious liberal.

I’m a social liberal and a fiscal conservative.

Also, I’m agnostic.

I’m an atheist anarchist. I try not to say that though because of the horiffic alliteration. I can hear the essay-writing parts of my brain withering now.

[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Hey Zeb,
slightly different question but, do you think there are any non-conservative Republicans or non-liberal Democrats on this board? Or does Republican = conservative and Democrat = liberal?
[/quote]

At one time there was a breed of politician who considered themselves “moderate” either in the form of a “moderate Republican” or “moderate Democrat.” Some still survive, but this seems to be a dying breed.

I once considered myself a “moderate Republican” because I agreed with the Republican stance on economic issues such as lowering taxes, advancing free trade with other nations, privatizing Social Security, those type issues - issues that the government could actually do something about and that actually affect people. It seems like now the only thing Republicans focus on is gay marriage and whether the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public buildings.

“im non-christian, yet very much like christians in that i believe in morality”

Are you saying most atheists do not believe in morality? Or that most atheists do not believe in their being a definitive morality? It sounds like you mean the first but I assume its not the case.

I am a non-christian liberal. Now I say liberal but I hate all this left wing right wing, pidgeonhole view stuff. I am generally liberal, however that doesn’t mean I take a traditionally left wing view on everything, not at all. I believe strongly in the value of choice, something lacking in most conservative agendas.

I think conservatives are usually very religious. I find this strange as when I learned about the life of Jesus he seemed like a damn left thinking kinda guy. Maybe I misinterpreted the bible I dunno.

[quote]Moriarty wrote:
ZEB wrote:
There seems to be a pattern at least around these threads. Those who are considered of a politically liberal viewpoint also seem to be non-Christians.

I’m not attacking that, in fact, I’m not even sure if it’s true yet. It just seems to be true.

I also get the feeling that those who are conservative call themselves Christians, again not sure.

Help me out on this guys. Are you a liberal non-Christian?

Hey Zeb,
slightly different question but, do you think there are any non-conservative Republicans or non-liberal Democrats on this board? Or does Republican = conservative and Democrat = liberal?
[/quote]

Yes I do, however they are a dying breed as the great chasm between the two parties gets deeper and deeper.

[quote]ConorM wrote:
“im non-christian, yet very much like christians in that i believe in morality”

Are you saying most atheists do not believe in morality? Or that most atheists do not believe in their being a definitive morality? It sounds like you mean the first but I assume its not the case.

I am a non-christian liberal. Now I say liberal but I hate all this left wing right wing, pidgeonhole view stuff. I am generally liberal, however that doesn’t mean I take a traditionally left wing view on everything, not at all. I believe strongly in the value of choice, something lacking in most conservative agendas.

I think conservatives are usually very religious. I find this strange as when I learned about the life of Jesus he seemed like a damn left thinking kinda guy. Maybe I misinterpreted the bible I dunno.[/quote]

Conor,

I am saying nothing of the kind! There are some very “moral” Atheists. There are some very immoral who claim to be Christians! Don’t read into my post.

[quote]ConorM wrote:
I think conservatives are usually very religious. I find this strange as when I learned about the life of Jesus he seemed like a damn left thinking kinda guy. Maybe I misinterpreted the bible I dunno.[/quote]

And you just know he’d have lit up a joint and been seriously pissed off with people wearing suits to church if he lived today. There he was starting an outlandish sect, and now its become the norm. I think WJD should be replace with ‘what would jesus think?’. Not too much is my wager! He’d go back up to heaven and say ‘well dad, theyre destroying the planet in search of monatary gains and killing each other in ever more effective ways. but then you knew that because your omnipresent. of course that means you’d have seen all this coming too, especially the suffering of innocents and suffering disproportionate to the creation of an epistemic distance; but why would you let that happen? that means you’re either quite cruel, so not really morally perfect, or not omnipotent! uh oh, I created a logical crisis! sorry dad!’ and then God would send Jesus to His room and say ‘He gets it all from your side mary’.

[quote]Jersey5150 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I’m an anti-religion christian conservative.

That sounds intresting explain if you will.

I am a non-religious liberal.[/quote]

My faith in Jesus Christ as my personal savior is just that - personal.

Most all modern religions have been bastardized to the point that they give lip service to why they should be gathering together, and are more concerned with playing games. This does two things:

  1. It defeats the purpose of meeting together for the sake of encouragement, which is why early believers met together.

  2. It gives ammo to those who hate the church, and gives christians a bad name.

I refuse to accept that there will only be baptists(insert any denomnination) in heaven, and I won’t support any denomination that thinks so highly of themselves as to think that they have a monopoly God’s mercy and love.

Religion is a game, that if played correctly lands you further away from dependance on God and much much closer to dependance on yourself acting good. That is an abomination to the teachings of Christ.

That is why I am anti-religion.