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Nocturnal Post Absorptive Muscle Catabolism

Now there’s a mouthful huh? What’s the secret guys? How do you beat this thing? It’s killing me… I go to all this trouble to get to bed at a decent hour because I hear it will help muscle recovery. But then when I wake up in the morning I feel weaker and look smaller. So I read up on it and hear anecdotally that eating cottage cheese before bed helps. It did for a while before I started getting really big. But it doesn’t seem to work as well anymore.

Not only that - I have heard that taking Protien supplements before you sleep can cause you to get fat and adds huge ammonts of unspent calories… What’s the answer peeps? It’s got to be something simple I am sure. Low carb protiens? Aminos in pill form?

Slow digesting protiens, like casein. Metabolc Drive, or cottage cheese like you said.

Fiber, as well as fats will slow digestion down further, which is what you want.

Before you go to bed, drink a shake of three scoops of Metbolic Drive and a few Flameouts.

Oh… and since you said ‘it worked before you got big’ well, now that you’re bigger, you need more calories. Its simple, really.

Where’d you get that last bit of info about protein supplements? Your metabolism slows down at night, but still operates. It doesn’t shut down and automatically shuttle anything you eat into fat stores. I had this very same question a few weeks ago, so I’ll just make it simple for you and give you a direct answer. Drink a Casein protein shake right before you go to bed. It’s a very slow digesting protein that has excellent anti-catabolic effects, proving invaluable when going on a fast such as going to sleep.

If you want, you can even add some fiber to the shake to help slow digestion down even further. I’ve started doing this a few weeks ago and I feel stronger and look fuller when I wake up in the mornings.

Fyi, the main source of protein in the cottage cheese you used to eat before bed, is casein.

What they said.

Stuff your gut.

[quote]Velz wrote:
Where’d you get that last bit of info about protein supplements? Your metabolism slows down at night, but still operates. It doesn’t shut down and automatically shuttle anything you eat into fat stores. I had this very same question a few weeks ago, so I’ll just make it simple for you and give you a direct answer. Drink a Casein protein shake right before you go to bed.[/quote]

I Googled NPMC and got it from a web site that was selling something… Sorbitol PM or something like that for women. The info seemed to jive with other things I heard.

But anyway cassein it is then! I’ll try it! Thanks dude!
And a huge thank you to all who replied

[quote]force of one wrote:
Velz wrote:
Where’d you get that last bit of info about protein supplements? Your metabolism slows down at night, but still operates. It doesn’t shut down and automatically shuttle anything you eat into fat stores. I had this very same question a few weeks ago, so I’ll just make it simple for you and give you a direct answer. Drink a Casein protein shake right before you go to bed.

I Googled NPMC and got it from a web site that was selling something… Sorbitol PM or something like that for women. The info seemed to jive with other things I heard.

But anyway cassein it is then! I’ll try it! Thanks dude!
And a huge thank you to all who replied

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I just did a quick search to see what you were talking about and came across this link -

http://www.4-womenshealth.com/klein_becker/somnabol_pm.html

“That?s because high-tech protein compounds, by their very nature, have been designed and developed for rapid absorption. These highly specialized ?workout? proteins, while effective in enhancing muscle growth when used just before and just after strength training, can?t help you overcome sleep-induced muscle catabolism because they?re assimilated so quickly that their protein is rapidly used up after only the first few short minutes of sleep? leaving nothing for your body to use as ?muscle-building blocks? during the most productive period of ?Delta? (slow-wave) sleep, when 90% of your body?s growth hormone is released. Waking up in the middle of the night (after your initial growth-hormone spike) to down some ?high-tech? protein mix simply adds additional calories that are converted to fat.”

They are just being equivicol to market their product lol. By “workout” protein, hey are obviously referring to whey protein, which is not good before bed and not a good anti-catabolic period. I’m 99% sure that main sorce of protein they use in their product is casein, however, you see the lengths they go to avoid any mention of casein -

“scientifically developed compound”
“exclusive, ?slow-assimilating? protein”
“dvanced, clinically proven compound”

LOL screw these corporate shills and just get a can of Casein protein for 25 dollars.

You could also eat again midway between your evening and morning meals. I get up at 2:30 am and have one cup cottage cheese with 2/3 scoop Metabolic Drive mixed in.

I just did a quick search to see what you were talking about and came across this link -

http://www.4-womenshealth.com/klein_becker/somnabol_pm.html

“That?s because high-tech protein compounds, by their very nature, have been designed and developed for rapid absorption. These highly specialized ?workout? proteins, while effective in enhancing muscle growth when used just before and just after strength training, can?t help you overcome sleep-induced muscle catabolism because they?re assimilated so quickly that their protein is rapidly used up after only the first few short minutes of sleep? leaving nothing for your body to use as ?muscle-building blocks? during the most productive period of ?Delta? (slow-wave) sleep, when 90% of your body?s growth hormone is released. Waking up in the middle of the night (after your initial growth-hormone spike) to down some ?high-tech? protein mix simply adds additional calories that are converted to fat.”

They are just being equivicol to market their product lol. By “workout” protein, hey are obviously referring to whey protein, which is not good before bed and not a good anti-catabolic period. I’m 99% sure that main sorce of protein they use in their product is casein, however, you see the lengths they go to avoid any mention of casein - [/quote]

Yep that's the one.You seem very adept at picking through the claims of all these ad campaigns. That's a good skill to have in this arena apparently.  Me I am usually too fed up and annoyed by endless commercialism, spam, and consciousness cluttering advertising to even try. Just like this instance so often it's double talk and tricky blather, selling something old as new... 

“scientifically developed compound”
“exclusive, ?slow-assimilating? protein”
“dvanced, clinically proven compound”

LOL screw these corporate shills and just get a can of Casein protein for 25 dollars.[/quote]

Indeed.