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Nobel Prize Laureate Attacked

The lady’s name is mairead maguire and she received the Nobel peace prize in 1976 for her work in Ireland. She was (and I quote her) “viciously attacked” yesterday by the so-called IDF. Her account of the story below:

"I was invited with my friend to attend a nonviolent conference in Bilin, a village outside Ramallah, and to give a talk there, which I did. At the end of the conference, we were invited to participate in a nonviolent demonstration with some of the Palestinian members of parliament, including Dr. Barghouti, and Israeli peace activists and local villagers and international visitors from over several hundred countries so – or several hundred international peace activists from over twenty countries.

We walked along to try to walk up toward the separation wall, and it was a totally nonviolent protest. And we were viciously attacked by the Israeli military. They threw gas canisters into the peace walkers, and they also fired rubber-covered steel bullets. As I tried to move back and helping a French lady, I was shot in the leg with a rubber-covered steel bullet, and the young Israeli soldier who shot me was only twenty meters from me. I was stunned by it, and then later on, after having some treatment by the ambulance medics, I went back down to the front line with the peace activists, and we were again showered with gas. I was overcome and had a severe nosebleed and had to be taken by stretcher to the ambulance and treated.

And I witnessed there a Palestinian woman, maybe around in her sixties, and an old Palestinian man with blood on his face. These were over twenty-five unarmed peace people who had been viciously attacked by the Israeli military. And it was a completely peaceful protest. It was absolutely unbelievable. I never in all my years of activism witnessed anything so vicious as from the Israeli military."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/23/1350224

What do you guys think? Is she exagerating the facts? Is she lying?

On more macabre news, a 17 years old girl who was shot dead by Israeli soldiers on Saturday, along with five other Palestinians.

Those recent developments plus the “human shields” scandals that sprout every now and then, give me the feeling the IDF should change its name to something more appropriate.


How surprising… Lixy attacking and demonizing Israel, running the terrorist’s errand… :smiley:

Lixy, how about you apply the standards you apply on Israel… on Palestine…? Or Syria…? or… Lebanon…? Or… let us say: Sweden from 1941-1945…?

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
How surprising… Lixy attacking and demonizing Israel, running the terrorist’s errand… :smiley:

Lixy, how about you apply the standards you apply on Israel… on Palestine…? Or Syria…? or… Lebanon…? Or… let us say: Sweden from 1941-1945…?[/quote]

Why have him do that, are you trying to make me loose my one good laugh of the day. This guy an ass clown and needs to start lifting weights or get off a weight lifting forum

Yes. Israel isn’t always in the moral good.

This is news?

Doesn’t make Palestine any more in the moral good, or any less in the moral wrong.

Israel is the lesser of two evils. Every choice is between a douche and a turd sandwich, Israel just happens to be the douche, and actually a bit useful/peaceful at times.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
How surprising… Lixy attacking and demonizing Israel, running the terrorist’s errand… :smiley:

Lixy, how about you apply the standards you apply on Israel… on Palestine…? Or Syria…? or… Lebanon…? Or… let us say: Sweden from 1941-1945…?

Why have him do that, are you trying to make me loose my one good laugh of the day. This guy an ass clown and needs to start lifting weights or get off a weight lifting forum[/quote]

he DOES lift weights, he just… doesen’t want to be strong, he just wants to look cute.

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
John S. wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
How surprising… Lixy attacking and demonizing Israel, running the terrorist’s errand… :smiley:

Lixy, how about you apply the standards you apply on Israel… on Palestine…? Or Syria…? or… Lebanon…? Or… let us say: Sweden from 1941-1945…?

Why have him do that, are you trying to make me loose my one good laugh of the day. This guy an ass clown and needs to start lifting weights or get off a weight lifting forum

he DOES lift weights, he just… doesen’t want to be strong, he just wants to look cute.

[/quote]
Lifting 5lb dumbbells is not lifting weights

[quote]lixy wrote:
The lady’s name is mairead maguire and she received the Nobel peace prize in 1976 for her work in Ireland. She was (and I quote her) “viciously attacked” yesterday by the so-called IDF. Her account of the story below:

"I was invited with my friend to attend a nonviolent conference in Bilin, a village outside Ramallah, and to give a talk there, which I did. At the end of the conference, we were invited to participate in a nonviolent demonstration with some of the Palestinian members of parliament, including Dr. Barghouti, and Israeli peace activists and local villagers and international visitors from over several hundred countries so – or several hundred international peace activists from over twenty countries.

We walked along to try to walk up toward the separation wall, and it was a totally nonviolent protest. And we were viciously attacked by the Israeli military. They threw gas canisters into the peace walkers, and they also fired rubber-covered steel bullets. As I tried to move back and helping a French lady, I was shot in the leg with a rubber-covered steel bullet, and the young Israeli soldier who shot me was only twenty meters from me. I was stunned by it, and then later on, after having some treatment by the ambulance medics, I went back down to the front line with the peace activists, and we were again showered with gas. I was overcome and had a severe nosebleed and had to be taken by stretcher to the ambulance and treated.

And I witnessed there a Palestinian woman, maybe around in her sixties, and an old Palestinian man with blood on his face. These were over twenty-five unarmed peace people who had been viciously attacked by the Israeli military. And it was a completely peaceful protest. It was absolutely unbelievable. I never in all my years of activism witnessed anything so vicious as from the Israeli military."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/23/1350224

What do you guys think? Is she exagerating the facts? Is she lying?

On more macabre news, a 17 years old girl who was shot dead by Israeli soldiers on Saturday, along with five other Palestinians.

Those recent developments plus the “human shields” scandals that sprout every now and then, give me the feeling the IDF should change its name to something more appropriate.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/11/world/main2674604.shtml[/quote]

Great Thread Lixy: Women attacked for what they believe in… Sadly not confined to Ireland…

Did you know that two people in the West – one in Norway and one in Canada – have been physically attacked recently for remarks that Muslims perceived as critical of Islam?

Lixy, I am sure it would shock you since Islam is such a religion of tolerance and peace…

Read on…

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016063.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016131.php

Infact, the issue on Kadra is very interesting. Kadra is a very honest and outpoken women, much like the dutch lady. She has before exposed hippocracy and lies among the imams in Oslo, now she tried to speak up for female rights inside Islam… and got beaten for it. Beaten to the yells: “Allah o Akbahr”… The sad part is that Muslims in Norway, Britain, Sweden etc get more conservative and more extreme down the generations.

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Infact, the issue on Kadra is very interesting. Kadra is a very honest and outpoken women, much like the dutch lady. She has before exposed hippocracy and lies among the imams in Oslo, now she tried to speak up for female rights inside Islam… and got beaten for it. Beaten to the yells: “Allah o Akbahr”… The sad part is that Muslims in Norway, Britain, Sweden etc get more conservative and more extreme down the generations. [/quote]

More on the attacks:

The Kadra-issue isn’t isolated here in Norway, the imams in Oslo refuses to do anything about violence against homosexuals, they even go as far s indirectly supporting it.

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
The Kadra-issue isn’t isolated here in Norway, the imams in Oslo refuses to do anything about violence against homosexuals, they even go as far s indirectly supporting it. [/quote]

Life in Malaysia as ruled by the religion of peace is not so hot (for non-muslims that is…)

I like Lixy posting on here. He brings a Muslim perspective to the board. I find that interesting: Westerners tend to think from a conceptual-logical-mathematical point of view. Muslims tend to think based on a Medieval mindset, as religionists.

Its like looking back in time, much like looking at the early universe by looking at distant galaxies.

Fascinating!

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Yes. Israel isn’t always in the moral good.

This is news?

Doesn’t make Palestine any more in the moral good, or any less in the moral wrong.

Israel is the lesser of two evils. Every choice is between a douche and a turd sandwich, Israel just happens to be the douche, and actually a bit useful/peaceful at times.[/quote]

Hey, I like this. Can I borrow the douche/turd analogy?
Yes, between Lixy and JTF, I 'd say there is some pure bread bonafied antisemitism on these here forums. Have you ever seen them post anything that is not against Israel or greater Judaism? I haven’t.

What I want to know is why Lixy hates Jews, if Im not mistaken Lixy isn’t even arab so what’s his big beef with them?

don’t tell me its just because he’s muslim?

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
She has before exposed hippocracy [/quote]

I didn’t know river-horses ruled over states. Live and learn…

[quote]John S. wrote:
What I want to know is why Lixy hates Jews [/quote]

We’ve been over this one ad nauseaum. What is it gonna take to clear my name from this accusation? And since when is denouncing oppressive and violent behaviour of a state interpreted as a form of hate against the religion of the majority of its inhabitants? It’d be like someone calling you a Buddhist-hater for criticizing the Chinese government or a Muslim-hater for criticizing the backwardness of Saudi Arabia.

For what it’s worth, my role-model is a Jew. I’ll let you guess who it is…

All im saying is that everything has to be against Israel, and do you know who lives there? thats right Jews, so it seems everything you say is attacking Jews. I would not say you hated jews if you used the same level of judgment for the other countries over there but you dont, you single out Israel.

aww… poor lixy, has to resort to correcting my language… :wink: The thing is, lixy does the same that the UN general assembly does. It isn’t direct anti semitism, but when you onesidedly demonize one part in a conflict and nothing else, and you ignore china, sudan, somalia, libya, palestine, lebanon, syria, iran… and their transgressions… well. One may jump to conclusions…

When it comes to lixy hating Israel, well, that is a quite common attribute in the leftist movement in Skandinavia. An onesided, black/white hate against one part in a conflict most of them doesen’t know much about and doesen’t understand.

It is historically not very weird, first of all: socialists tend to take the wrong side… Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao… Secondly, they also tend to root for the underdog, no matter who’s right or wrong, root for the underdog. That seems to be a mantra…

And the most important point: Israel is on USA’s “team”… that is a deadly sin if you’re on the left side in Skandinavia… Remember, these are the people that wants Norway out of NATO and Sweden and Norway into a military and political framework with Russia… You just can’t go more wrong than that.

[quote]John S. wrote:
I would not say you hated jews if you used the same level of judgment for the other countries over there but you dont, you single out Israel.[/quote]

You sir, have apparently never heard my views on the USA or any other Arab country’s government.