[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:<<< However, you Anglos want to crush our history, want silence our language…and why? So you can finally totally dominate us?
Fuck that. We will fight back if you push too hard, because those who are pushed will eventually push back.[/quote]Ya know what’s so very sad about people like you? You exalt your ethnicity over your manhood. You are consumed with and have no higher identity than “Puerto Rican”.
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Yes because the second Obama rolls out some pseud-Socialist lite legislation you guys aren’t talking about Paul Revere, open revolt and the Founding Fathers. ::Rolls Eyes::
I am a man. I am an American, and I am a Latino. I think nationalism is a stupid construct, but that doesn’t mean I will sit idly, while one people try to erase the culture I was born in from the pages of history. You make me into a strawman without a solid foundation.
[quote] MaximusB wrote:
I can tell you never even read the law, just like Obama, just like Holder, when SB 1070 came out. You should try pulling this shit in other countries, NO other country is so nice to people here illegally.
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Apparently you didn’t even read my post because the first damn thing I said was that while I was disturbed with the idea of the ‘where are your papers’ aspec tof SB1070. I really found no reason to have issue with a state enforcing border security where the federal government has failed. I specifically stated that that oppossing current immigration arrangements is not done by breaking the law but instead fighting the policies with new legislation.
[quote] MaximusB wrote:
Bush was pandering for your vote, and he got it. Obama did the same thing, yet he has deported more people than any other president in history, yet you still support him. That’s your choice, not mine. Bush was also wrong about legalization being the only way. If you cut off the jobs, and deport people from within the city (like Secure Communities does), they leave. Alabama has seen an almost 2% drop in their unemployment rate since they passed their law.
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Way to stereotype me into a convenient strawman. I am not for illegal immigration. I was ardently anti-Bush, and am ardently anti-Obama. I gave Bush credit for one thing he said, which does make sense. You can’t fight the free market, and you can’t fight the invisble hand. People are dying to work here and do the worst jobs literally. While retention rates for shitty low pay manual labor jobs among citizens are abysmal.
Further the effects on Alabam’s economy have not been positive at all. The agricultural industry has taken a brutal beating due to the new laws. Production is down across the board because despite Alabama’s abysmal unemployment rate Ã??Ã?¢?? people just don’t want to do that work.
The farmers are now lobbying that the prisons give them chain-gangs to try to make up for the lost labor force in the fields and in landscaping. Sounds like a yet another great new aspect for the prison-industrial complex to monopolize on. :rolls eyes: Of course these people won’t be paid anything.
[quote] MaximusB wrote:
You are wrong about the Chicano Studies ban. It’s not supported IN PUBLIC SCHOOL, which means you can be taught in private schools, so there is no censorship involved. Why the hell are you so pissed off anyways ? Do you see ANY other culture get such privilege in schools ? Shit, everything is bilingual, you get preferential treatment for financial aid, you get in-state tuition, and you STILL fucking complain ? How many other cultures get this treatment ? NONE.
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You’re first two sentences don’t have any subject-verb agreement whatsoever, but I was able to decipher what you were trying to say.
Actually just about every other culture gets this so-called ‘privilege’ you speak of. It’s called a ‘right’, it’s the whole point of a local school board. These boards get to to decide the curriculum for their community aside from the prescribed state and federal subjects.
I grew up in Missouri and attended a school for a year and a half that was in an area with a alrge Hasidic Jewish populatin. Our Public School taught Hebrew classes and Jewish studies.
Almost any school near a population center of note, has African-American studies/history courses, and whatever specific ethnic groups inhabit that region.
This legislation is meant to specifically disempower a group of people from exercising the rights everyone else is allowed. That is why I am pissed. It is a legislation specifically designed to deprive a certain ethnicity of the rights afford to anyone else. If I pay taxes for my area school, we have the right to have a curriculum favorable to our community if we can get it through the school board.
This law deprives a community of this right.
Concerning your ‘in-state tuition’ tirade. Illegal immigration =/= Latinos at large. That seems to be the problem here, you think depriving Latino Citizens of their rights is the same as oppossing illegal immigration.
It’s not, and you simply lack cognitive ability if you it is. Italian, Chinese, Indian, Bosnian illegals get the same treatment in any state with such slanted legislation. While Latinos constitute about Ã???Ã??Ã?¾ of illegal immigrants in the USA there are another 25% from all over the globe. Proximity is what makes them so over represented. To say that representation statically equals causation, could be applied in many other discriminatory ways. Such as the fact that over 90% of white collar criminals are honkeys. I suppose any time I talk about white people now, I should make it synonymous with white collar crime.
[quote] MaximusB wrote:
Who is trying to dominating you ? Because, to me, everyone gets hit by taxes, inflation, parking tickets, fees, traffic, gravity, wrinkles, and even a shitty episode of Jersey Shore.
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We have the right to maintain our culture and religion in the regions conquered by the USA per the treaties we signed with the USA. Attempting to silence our history, make extinct our language, and put up road blocks at every corner for participation in gov’t, is not that.
Imagine that California was conquered by China, and they signed a treaty guranteeing your cultural and religious rights to carry on as you did before. Then 120 years from then, they had flooding the state demographically to the point that they constituted a slim majority. They tried to ban English language, disallow American history from public schools, and invalidate/bar you from gov’t in 100 different ways. Further, despite demanding that you ‘Assimilate’ to Han Chinese, they instead constantly refered to you as ‘illegals’ for being Anglo-Saxons. They blamed your community for the Americans from the mid-West that came to Sino-California for work. Then they imposed a system to crack down on this illegal immigraton that required you to carry papers on you at all times, and you would be randomly inspected simply for looking whitish.
Would you not be a little disturbed by all that? Welcome to being a Latino in Arizona.
[quote] MaximusB wrote:
If you feel that way, why aren’t you criticizing the person who questioned the proficiency thing, a fellow Latino by the way.
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She is opposing through legal means, she is taking it to court. She has the right to do that. I think she challenge the constitutionality of such a prohibition in a state historically Spanish speaking rather than go after some sort of technicality personally.
[quote] Maximus B wrote:
Not to mention that THEY (people like Rohynyn) create the cultural divide. What other country uses hyphens in their identity ? I was not catered to when I came here. [/quote]
Are you seriously this intellectually craterous? When have I ever called myself a Hyphenated ANTYHING. I am an American. My blood comes form Russia, Iberia, and the indigenous cultures of Latin America. I don’t run around calling myself a Bolivian-American, and haven’t since I was 15 or so.
You weren’t ‘catered to’ for two reasons. You weren’t living in a region that was conquered by the USA, you weren’t a conquered people, you were an immigrant. Two, you weren’t living in a largely Italian region. NEWSFLASH…IN LARGELY ITALIAN REGIONS AND COMMUNITIES THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OFFER ITALIAN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE/HISTORY. OMG YOUR PEOPLE ARE TOTALLY SHITTING ON THE AMERICAN FLAG!
Further, your own people refer to themselves as Italian-Ameriicans as well as countless other ethnic groups that are largely ‘assimilated’. That Vincenzo faggot from Jersey Shore has a goddamn Italian flag tattooed on his back.
You are completley glib and without any historicity. Riddle me this Mr . Italian…if we are so unique in the world as these seditious minorities who supposedly at large identity ourselves as some other nationality. Then why the FUCK do the Albanians in Italy still kill themselves Arbereshe 700 years later? Why do the Greeks of Southern Italy still call themselves Grechi 2000 years later.
And why the fuck is it, that the ‘ban’ the Arizonans put out was against ‘CHICANO STUDIES’ and not MEXICAN-AMERICAN studies. You are an un-researched ham-handed twit with a bigotry almost as big as your ego if your hateful passion blinded you from making any of those logical connections.
We are Americans, we refer to ourselves as Latinos or Hispanics because that is a culturally identity, one that can exist simultaneous with the American one, as we were here in Saint Augstine 100 years before Jamestown was set up. We reflect our ethnic/national background with names like Chicano, Nuyorican, Amorican, Pochos or Estadounidense. Us being Latino makes us no less American than someone being Anglo-Saxon or African-American does.
Seriously Max, I used to like you man, I never knew you could be so dense.