No Breasts, No Female?

About female competitors, I recommend this article.
“Ladies, 6 Reasons Not to Compete” by John Romano

Trying the hyperlink function. Lets see if this works.

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OK, I probably need to work on my writing skills to express myself better. But I do see what you mean about getting a bit muddy with comparisons. This conversation has helped me see that I am just very frustrated with wanting to be apart of certain situations that have standards I can not uphold. I can accept that. I was thinking though, are chest muscles not part of judging? i’m only assuming that implants would not allow someone to see your chest development. I have also read testimonials from women who back off their chest workouts because of the implants. I’m not trying to pick it about, I definitely see your point that a panel makes these standards.

I hope you see where I am coming from though. My children have not expressed interest in these competitions, I have. But when they want to work out with me and ask why or what it’s all about, it becomes complicated trying to explain my side without being one sided. I am not against implants, I just personally do not believe I would be happy with myself if I got them just for a show. So I guess, though it’s not my place, I at times become aggravated about the issue and just want to interview some judges and ask why.

You know that feeling when you believe you can be apart of an Elite group, but then realize you can’t because you just do not meet their criteria. Like being too short to be a model. Maybe I’m that person who wants it more because I know I can’t have it. Maybe I’m going through a mid-life crisis, and deep down inside I want to enhance my chest area. Whatever it is, I just want to have a better understanding so I can make the best decision for me.

Seriously, I could talk about this non-stop. Sorry if I am getting off topic or not making myself clear. But do appreciate all your input.

You said exactly what I am most likely missing, Support. I have gone my whole life being proud of what i have accomplished with my body, but without much support. People do not understand my love for lifting and eating clean and trying to maintain this lifestyle. Without support I only listen to Me, and that’s not always the best thing. So I am trying to find my way, and along the way I was hoping to make a stop on the stage.

I have to say though, I do not think this is the arena for me. I think it would break my heart to stand on stage among other figures and be in the top, just to be told that I need breast to go any further. My thinking may not allow me to hear anything other than, ‘you do not look female enough to win’. it would be hard not to take it personal.

You’re covering a lot of ground here.

Unrealistic and enhanced images - Hello, photoshop and plastic surgery.
The narrowly defined beauty ideal rewarded in bikini and figure comps.
What is feminine?
Should you compete to “show your hard work?”
What message does all of this send to your daughters?

Fundamentally, I think you need to decide if YOU are happy with your smaller breasts. And if you think the alternative (surgery) would make you happy.

There is no need to compete to “show your hard work.” A competition is only one day, or maybe it’s one day every year or two. There are a lot of days in between. A lot of people do it once as sort of a bucket list thing, or they compete a couple of times and decide the process is brutal and is effecting other parts of their life negatively, or it’s just not fun, or it’s not good for their health.

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I’m going to surprise everyone and go out on a limb here, but I feel that as part of ObamaCare, all girls 18 and above tragically disfigured by having less than 36DD breasts should be given the option of free breast implants.

Similar for mothers in need of a boob lift.

After all, it’s for the children.

And America.

This might also be a helpful read.

The Beautiful, Ugly Truth about Competing by Dani Shugart

My experience FWIW - This is just my thought process here. Other people have different opinions and experiences.

I considered doing a figure competition at one time, but decided it isn’t for me. Now, I have no interest in ever doing one.

Depending on what you do for a living, and what your social circles are like, pictures of you in a tiny bikini on the internet can be a negative thing. Women have lost out on employment opportunities for less. That may or may not be an issue for you. For me, it could be negative. At the least, people outside of this hobby/ lifestyle may think it’s weird.

Visualizing myself on stage, in front of a crowd of strangers, or in front of my dad and my brother and my kids, wearing a tiny bikini, then turning and arching my back so my er… “ham/glute tie-in area” is showing… Well, I’d rather jump out of an airplane into shark-infested waters. I think my dad would have a heart attack. There were some pretty great comments about the John Romano article, one where the dad of a little 17-year-old girl went to watch her bikini contest. He ended up jumping up on the stage and hauling her out of there. He’s probably not hoping that his daughter will be posting dozens of boob and booty pics on instagram either.

I like to work on both aesthetic and strength goals, and I think they both come from a happy, healthy place for me. I’m not a really competitive person. I like to lift for myself. I like the saying, “My life is my show.” I’m really happy with my natural shape, and smaller proportions. If my daughter happens to have my build, I wouldn’t want to send a message to her that there’s something wrong with her that requires surgery to fix. Maybe that wouldn’t happen, but I don’t like the idea that it might. Frankly, my husband isn’t into implants, so he would never encourage it in me. We all have our own preferences. My training partner has proportionally larger hips and felt that her AA boobs were a monkey on her back in terms of her self-esteem. She’s really happy with her implants and they’re very pretty. She did give up benching, because her doctor told her that stress to the pec area could cause them to migrate. For her, benching or training her chest isn’t worth the risk of messing up a very expensive and very painful surgery.

I have had some nice photographs taken a couple of times. For me, that was way more fun, without the stress of doing a show. The friend who trains with me had some bikini and boudoir pics done. She made an album for her husband as an anniversary gift. They aren’t all over instagram. I kind of love that. Her pictures are gorgeous, but she’s not interested in “giving strangers on the internet a woody.” - Sorry if that’s a bit crude, but you have to wonder what motivates some of the “fitness” pics floating around. A bikini show is by nature a very public event. You have to decide if that would enrich your life or not.

At it’s best, the fitness industry is about health and strength and fitness, and at Chris mentioned, at some level it’s also about extremes that may have nothing to do with health. When I went to a big BBing trade show last year, some of it really turned me off. There were amazing Crossfit chicks and PLers. Then there were women who looked like they might have taken a wrong turn from a porn convention, and 'roided out people who looked unhealthy and older than their years, like life had been very hard.

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You had me at “it’s for the children.” Very, very funny. I was waiting for you to break out that Whitney Houston song.

Chris, bad choice putting up a pic of my Brooke since she is clearly on assistance.

If I could thread jack this topic for a bit, is it just one A-hole in Southern California who is over prescribing growth hormone to these crossfire chicks or is it a Southern California thing?

Of the Crossfit chicks I’ve creeped on YouTube over the last few days it’s two So. Cal girls that have that bloated belly look. Brooke and Lauren Fisher have it. Julie Foucher doesn’t have it. Camille Leblonc-Bazinet doesn’t have it. Those Icelandic chicks don’t have it (that I recall).

Brooke is a big girl she can make her own choices but whoever got Lauren Fisher on drugs belongs in jail. Anyone who gives PEDs to someone under the age of about 22 should get whatever sentence any heroin dealer would get. Unless of course heroin dealers don’t spend much time in the slam. In that case the PED dealer should get a lot more.

Sorry for the rant.

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Could be real Push.

Mods, I really think nineteen characters should be sufficient.

I believe that’s a pic of Katrin Davidsdottir, last year’s CF Games winner. At least, that’s what I was looking for and what Google is telling me.


(Katrin’s far right, Brooke’s the left-most girl.)

Anyhow, for sure PEDs in women’s sports (any/all/most?) is a whole can of worms, but I do agree it’s one more thing that makes it tricky to say “Hey girls, here’s a role model you can look like with hard work.”

The main point I was getting at with the pics is that there are plenty of female athletes that don’t have, and certainly don’t “need”, implants.

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This is a little bit of a tangent, but related.

Recently I’ve seen a lot of female fitness bloggers talking about body acceptance. This post by Molly Galbraith got a lot of views, and ended up on Huffington Post. She put up a bikini pic with this caption, and then wrote a blog post about body confidence. Here’s the HuffPo article. “This [is] not a before picture. This is not an after picture. This just happens to be what my body looks like on a random Tuesday in December of 2015 – it’s a LIFE picture.”

She seems to be making peace with herself, but I’m wondering what some of you think about this trend?

Personally, I see lots of positive things about being happy with your body. BUT you could extrapolate from this kind of thinking to be that it’s OK to work on strength goals or performance goals because that’s healthy stuff, but if you like working on aesthetic goals then it comes from an unhealthy place. You lack body confidence, you have body image issues, or you need to learn body acceptance. If you are trying to get abs, then you probably have a case of self-loathing.

Several other fitness bloggers have written similar things recently, or talked about how they did a physique show and it turned into a very unhealthy experience where they felt like crap. That part I believe, but you don’t have to get stage lean to enjoy the aesthetic part, IMO.

For me, I don’t think any of it comes from an unhealthy, unhappy place.

Edited: I keep going back and playing with the bold function, or editing my posts because I’m trying to figure out how things work. I think I’m an edit-a-holic. It’s addictive. I need to play around with the quote function.

Now, you’re just wrong about that. :wink:

Un-American, even.

@ Free Boobs for America

You should be a political strategist, Ruff. Since it’s socialized, maybe Bernie for Boobs?

You’d get the plastic surgery lobby on board. Those boobs are often replaced, modified, or removed over the lifespan, so we’re talking multiple surgeries. And the trial lawyers, imagine all the lawsuits from “boobs gone wrong.” Victoria Secret could sell everyone new bras. If there’s back pain involved, you’ve just made all the chiropractors happy.

People selling trampolines might vote against you, but that has to be a small group.

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I leaning towards Trump on this, as he also favors government single-payer healthcare.

He could say “They’ll be huuuuuuuuge. Biggest. Ever. Best! Everywhere! And we’ll make Mexico pay for it!”

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Katrin & Brook sure do look like sisters. Brooke has a little more cuteness about her and I really like her Jenna Elfman voice and sense of humor. Both former dancers.

Anyway, my comment still stands though. Katrin is on drugs too and girls looking to achieve Katrin’s look or abilities won’t be able to w/o drugs.