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NFL Combine

Who has interest in the NFL combine? I love football so I enjoy seeing the athletes that might be available for my favorite team.

In terms of athletics, I enjoy seeing the speed / power demonstrations, as shown by the 40 yard dash, vertical jump, long jump and 225 bench press.

I like it to, almost to the point that they should just make every D1 college football athlete go to the combine, or better yet have the different sports have athletes that compete against each other.

I watch or Tivo as much of the combine as I possibly can. It always helps get me pumped up and [more] motivated for kickass workouts… just seeing some of the physical specimens that come through.

I wish I could watch the combine. I love seeing the displays of athleticism. However, I do think that all the speed tests should be conducted while in pads and on grass/turf. 40 times are used as though they are the players’ game speed, but they aren’t tested in game equipment.

Then there’s the bench press for reps… they should replace that with working up to a 1 rep max. Football plays last under 10 seconds, so repping out doesn’t even test the right energy system. Other than that, I really like the tests. I especially like checking the numbers of the guys around my size (mainly the corners) to see how I compare (nowhere close). The explosiveness in their legs is amazing.

[quote]escot4 wrote:
I wish I could watch the combine. I love seeing the displays of athleticism. However, I do think that all the speed tests should be conducted while in pads and on grass/turf. 40 times are used as though they are the players’ game speed, but they aren’t tested in game equipment.

Then there’s the bench press for reps… they should replace that with working up to a 1 rep max. Football plays last under 10 seconds, so repping out doesn’t even test the right energy system. Other than that, I really like the tests. I especially like checking the numbers of the guys around my size (mainly the corners) to see how I compare (nowhere close). The explosiveness in their legs is amazing.[/quote]

Hell, I think it should be a squat or deadlift test instead. Even powercleans - I don’t care. I just don’t get why it has to be the GD bench press.

[quote]SSC wrote:
escot4 wrote:
I wish I could watch the combine. I love seeing the displays of athleticism. However, I do think that all the speed tests should be conducted while in pads and on grass/turf. 40 times are used as though they are the players’ game speed, but they aren’t tested in game equipment.

Then there’s the bench press for reps… they should replace that with working up to a 1 rep max. Football plays last under 10 seconds, so repping out doesn’t even test the right energy system. Other than that, I really like the tests. I especially like checking the numbers of the guys around my size (mainly the corners) to see how I compare (nowhere close). The explosiveness in their legs is amazing.

Hell, I think it should be a squat or deadlift test instead. Even powercleans - I don’t care. I just don’t get why it has to be the GD bench press.[/quote]

I keep hearing rumors that they’re supposed to start implementing some leg strength test soon. The line I hear most often is something along the lines of some sort of power output on a machine, like a Kaiser squat that measures power output. Would be cool, but I think verts already determine that.

This is my first year without the network, it sucks.

check out these record numbers from the Combine.

Fastest 40-Yard Dash Times

4.24 - Chris Johnson, (RB), East Carolina, 2008
4.27 - Stanford Routt, (CB), Houston, 2005
4.28 - Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton, 2005
4.29 - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, (CB), Tennessee State, 2008
4.29 - *Fabian Washington, (CB), Nebraska, 2005
4.30 - Darrent Williams, (CB), Oklahoma State, 2005
4.30 - Yamon Figurs, (WR), Kansas State, 2007
4.31 - *Justin King, (CB), Penn State, 2008
4.31 - Tyvon Branch, (CB), Connecticut, 2008
4.31 - Michael Waddell, (CB), North Carolina, 2004
4.31 - Aaron Lockett, (WR), Kansas State, 2002
4.31 - Santana Moss, (WR), Miami, 2001
4.31 - *Johnathan Joseph, (CB), South Carolina, 2006
4.32 - Tim Carter, (WR), Auburn, 2002
4.32 - *Orlando Scandrick, (CB), Boise State, 2008
4.32 - Chris McKenzie, (CB), Arizona State, 2005
4.32 - Kevin Garrett, (CB), Southern Methodist, 2003
4.32 - Jason Hill, (WR), Washington State, 2007
4.32 - *Chris Houston, (CB), Arkansas, 2007
4.32 - *Troy Williamson, (WR), South Carolina, 2005
4.32 - *Chad Jackson, (WR), Florida, 2006
4.32 - Tim Jennings, (CB), Georgia, 2006
4.33 - Carlos Francis, (WR), Texas Tech, 2004
4.33 - *Darren McFadden, (RB), Arkansas, 2008
4.33 - Chris Chambers, (WR), Wisconsin, 2001

Most 225 Pound Bench Reps

45 - Leif Larsen, (DT), Texas-El Paso, 2000
45 - Mike Kudla, (DE), Ohio State, 2006
44 - Brodrick Bunkley, (DT), Florida State, 2006
43 - Scott Young, (OG), BYU, 2005
42 - Isaac Sopoaga, (DT), Hawaii, 2004
42 - Tank Tyler, (DT), North Carolina State, 2007
41 - *Igor Olshansky, (DT), Oregon, 2004
41 - Terna Nande, (OLB), Miami (OHIO), 2006
40 - Justin Blalock, (OG), Texas, 2007
40 - Manuel Ramirez, (OG), Texas Tech, 2007
38 - Tony Pashos, (OT), Illinois, 2003
37 - *Wayne Hunter, (OT), Hawaii, 2003
37 - Roberto Garza, ©, Texas AM-Kingsville, 2001
37 - Victor Leyva, (OG), Arizona State, 2001
37 - Moran Norris, (FB), Kansas, 2001
37 - *Vernon Gholston, (DE), Ohio State, 2008
37 - Jake Long, (OT), Michigan, 2008
37 - *Haloti Ngata, (DT), Oregon, 2006
36 - *Vince Wilfork, (DT), Miami, 2004
36 - Liam Ezekiel, (ILB), Northeastern, 2005
36 - Makoa Freitas, (OG), Arizona, 2003
36 - Ryan Denney, (DE), BYU, 2002
36 - Gabe Watson, (DT), Michigan, 2006
36 - Scott Peters, ©, Arizona State, 2002
35 - Will Bartholomew, (FB), Tennessee, 2002
Highest Vertical Jump

46 - Gerald Sensabaugh, (FS), North Carolina, 2005
45 1/2 - Derek Wake, (OLB), Penn State, 2005
45 - Chris McKenzie, (CB), Arizona State, 2005
45 - Chris Chambers, (WR), Wisconsin, 2001
43 1/2 - Dustin Fox, (FS), Ohio State, 2005
43 1/2 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa, 2001
43 - Scott Starks, (CB), Wisconsin, 2005
43 - Cedric James, (WR), TCU, 2001
42 1/2 - Nate Burleson, (WR), Nevada, 2003
42 1/2 - Jonathan Carter, (WR), Troy, 2001
42 1/2 - Brock Williams, (CB), Notre Dame, 2001
42 - Boss Bailey, (OLB), Georgia, 2003
42 - Kerry Rhodes, (FS), Louisville, 2005
42 - Ellis Hobbs, (CB), Iowa State, 2005
42 - *William Green, (RB), Boston College, 2002
42 - Santana Moss, (WR), Miami, 2001
42 - Rashad Holman, (CB), Louisville, 2001
42 - Scott Fujita, (OLB), California, 2002
42 - Raonall Smith, (OLB), Washington State, 2002
42 - Vernon Davis, (TE), Maryland, 2006
42 - Mark Anderson, (DE), Alabama, 2006
41 1/2 - Karl Paymah, (CB), Washington State, 2005
41 1/2 - Reche
Caldwell, (WR), Florida, 2002
41 1/2 - Bob Sanders, (SS), Iowa, 2004
41 1/2 - Tony Fisher, (RB), Notre Dame, 2002

Fastest Ten Yard Times

1.40 - Chris Johnson, (RB), East Carolina, 2008
1.40 - *Justin King, (CB), Penn State, 2008
1.41 - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, (CB), Tennessee State, 2008
1.43 - Leodis McKelvin, (CB), Troy, 2008
1.43 - Aundrae Allison, (WR), East Carolina, 2007
1.43 - Tyvon Branch, (CB), Connecticut, 2008
1.43 - Marcus Walker, (CB), Oklahoma, 2008
1.43 - Jonathan Wilhite, (CB), Auburn, 2008
1.43 - Will Franklin, (WR), Missouri, 2008
1.43 - Antwaun Molden, (CB), Eastern Kentucky, 2008
1.43 - *DaJuan Morgan, (FS), North Carolina State, 2008
1.43 - Eric Weddle, (SS), Utah, 2007
1.43 - Jonathan Zenon, (CB), LSU, 2008
1.43 - Marcus McCauley, (CB), Fresno State, 2007
1.43 - Quintin Demps, (FS), Texas-El Paso, 2008
1.44 - Tyrell Johnson, (SS), Arkansas State, 2008
1.45 - Terrell Thomas, (CB), Southern Cal, 2008
1.45 - Leon Hall, (CB), Michigan, 2007
1.46 - Tracy Porter, (CB), Indiana, 2008
1.46 - Gary Guyton, (OLB), Georgia Tech, 2008
1.46 - Colin Branch, (FS), Stanford, 2003
1.46 - Jamaal Charles, (RB), Texas, 2008
1.46 - *Felix Jones, (RB), Arkansas, 2008
1.46 - *Kenny Phillips, (FS), Miami, 2008
1.46 - *Jonathan Stewart, (RB), Oregon, 2008

Fastest Shuttle Times

3.73 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa, 2001
3.75 - Dunta Robinson, (CB), South Carolina, 2004
3.76 - Deion Branch, (WR), Louisville, 2002
3.82 - Carlos Rogers, (CB), Auburn, 2005
3.82 - Dante’ Hall, (RB), Texas A&M, 2000
3.83 - Terence Newman, (CB), Kansas State, 2003
3.83 - Kevin Bentley, (OLB), Northwestern, 2002
3.83 - Jason Allen, (FS), Tennessee, 2006
3.84 - Justin Beriault, (FS), Ball State, 2005
3.84 - Troy Walters, (WR), Stanford, 2000
3.85 - Rashad Holman, (CB), Louisville, 2001
3.86 - Jason Hebert, (FS), Rice, 2002
3.87 - Randy Fasani, (QB), Stanford, 2002
3.87 - Coy Wire, (SS), Stanford, 2002
3.88 - Joey Thomas, (CB), Montana State, 2004
3.88 - Kevin Curtis, (FS), Texas Tech, 2002
3.88 - Kendrick Starling, (WR), San Jose State, 2004
3.88 - Jeff Shoate, (CB), San Diego State, 2004
3.88 - Ryan Tolhurst, (WR), Richmond, 2002
3.89 - Niko Koutouvides, (ILB), Purdue, 2004
3.89 - Markus Curry, (CB), Michigan, 2005
3.89 - Domonique Foxworth, (CB), Maryland, 2005
3.89 - Charles Tillman, (CB), Louisiana-Lafayette, 2003
3.90 - Kelvin Hayden, (CB), Illinois, 2005
3.90 - Eric Green, (CB), Virginia Tech, 2005
Quickest 3 Cone Drill Times

6.34 - Sedrick Curry, (CB), Texas A&M, 2000
6.48 - Carlos Rogers, (CB), Auburn, 2005
6.48 - Rogers Beckett, (FS), Marshall, 2000
6.50 - Leon Hall, (CB), Michigan, 2007
6.51 - Jon McGraw, (SS), Kansas State, 2002
6.54 - *Anthony Gonzalez, (WR), Ohio State, 2007
6.56 - Ben Taylor, (ILB), Virginia Tech, 2002
6.56 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa, 2001
6.57 - Harry Douglas, (WR), Louisville, 2008
6.60 - Trent Gamble, (FS), Wyoming, 2000
6.60 - Michael Griffin, (SS), Texas, 2007
6.61 - Courtney Roby, (WR), Indiana, 2005
6.61 - Troy Walters, (WR), Stanford, 2000
6.61 - Marcus McCauley, (CB), Fresno State, 2007
6.62 - Dante’ Hall, (RB), Texas A&M, 2000
6.62 - Coy Wire, (SS), Stanford, 2002
6.62 - Johnnie Lee Higgins, (WR), Texas-El Paso, 2007
6.63 - Stanford Routt, (CB), Houston, 2005
6.63 - Ketric Sanford, (RB), Houston, 2000
6.63 - *Ben Kelly, (CB), Colorado, 2000
6.63 - Matt Farmer, (WR), Air Force, 2000
6.64 - Keith Brown, (RB), UCLA, 2000
6.64 - Demarcus Faggins, (CB), Kansas State, 2002
6.64 - Tye Hill, (CB), Clemson, 2006
6.65 - *Ray Rice, (RB), Rutgers, 2008

The only thing I don’t like is the inflated verts. They measure their reach with two arms, shoulders shrugged down, etc. That can add 4" or more to their verts, depending on how tall the player is.

[quote]Bloobird wrote:
The only thing I don’t like is the inflated verts. They measure their reach with two arms, shoulders shrugged down, etc. That can add 4" or more to their verts, depending on how tall the player is.[/quote]

Actually, the changed the rules for the vertical a bit last year and you could see it in the results. I’m not even going to get into the 40 times again this year. Just look for the thread about the combine from last year.

Anyways, the workouts started to day and I was just looking at the results. Stupid Dish Network took away my NFL channel mid-season last year so I don’t get to watch it. The kicker from USC did 25 reps at 225. That’s one heck of a strong kicker.

I’m real curious to see how the top tackles, Monroe, Andre Smith, and Jason Smith do. All nfl.com is showing right now is the top performers. J. Smith hit a respectable 33. Monroe and A. Smith apparently did less than 30 as they aren’t listed.

Pretty early, but it’s something.

From NFL.com,

The first bench press results of the combine are in, and among the offensive linemen, there was Louis Vasquez and everyone else.

The Texas Tech guard lifted the required 225 pounds 39 times, five more than BYU?s Travis Bright and Juan Garcia of Washington. It was the fifth most reps by an offensive lineman at the combine since 2000.

The top 10:

Player School Reps
LOUIS VASQUEZ TEXAS TECH 39
TRAVIS BRIGHT BRIGHAM YOUNG 34
JUAN GARCIA WASHINGTON 34
ALEX BOONE OHIO STATE 33
ROBBY FELIX UTEP 33
A.Q. SHIPLEY PENN STATE 33
JASON SMITH BAYLOR 33
JON COOPER OKLAHOMA 31
JAMON MEREDITH SOUTH CAROLINA 31
ROB BRUGGEMAN IOWA 30
RAY FEINGA BRIGHAM YOUNG 30
ALEX FLETCHER STANFORD 30
ERIC WOOD LOUISVILLE 30

We?ll have all the top results of the bench press and all combine events on our top performer?s page as they come in over the next five days.

Hell yeah.

NFL FTW

Did you guys see San Jose State’s Jarron Gilbert jumping out of a swimming pool???

In case you’re wondering, Gilbert is listed at 6’5", 287 pounds and that’s not easy to toss out of three feet of water. That’s probably why he’s projected to go in the second or third round.

Are the 40 yard dash times self started?

I would rather see guys work up to a 90% max power clean than do bench press at any level of intensity. In my view, is next to completely worthless as a tool in judging football strength (especially in rep ranges over 20, 30, 40). I’m certain the argument is that the power clean (or squat for that matter) is too taxing, etc. Yet these guys probaby do power cleans at least once a week, probably more.

Besides that, there are 50 guys in every gym I’ve ever been in that can bench 225 for 10, 20 reps and cannot power clean the same weight x 1. Hell, I know a guy who can bench 225 x 25 who would crumble if you put more than 200 pounds on the bar. How’d you like to have him on your team?

yes…they start the clock once you move

Vernon Davis, and his 42 inch vert is ridiculous…that guy is a beast

My favorite is the Wunderlich test. vince young’s 6 was quite amusing. Oh, and he did graduate from texas.

[quote]hoosegow wrote:
My favorite is the Wunderlich test. vince young’s 6 was quite amusing. Oh, and he did graduate from texas. [/quote]

From what I understood that was just a nasty rumor started by somebody. He actually scored a 16 or something.

[quote]AssClown wrote:
hoosegow wrote:
My favorite is the Wunderlich test. vince young’s 6 was quite amusing. Oh, and he did graduate from texas.

From what I understood that was just a nasty rumor started by somebody. He actually scored a 16 or something.[/quote]

From seeing his behavior this past season, I can believe the 6.