[quote] Brook wrote:
Much better… however you need to know a few things to maximise the cycle you have started and also the help you receive.
Test’rone is generally considered a ‘must have’ base compound. This wouldn’t be the case for some particular circumstances but i doubt you need to worry about those yet.
So firstly start with Test for all cycles…
The amount of which depends on your goal… More Test = More results (up until a certain point where sides increase faster than gains but i wont get into that now)…
When writing the cycle plan, you need to tell us how many mg’s of a drug you intend to use… not just the volume (1ml). One millilitre of Primoteston can be 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml AFAIK… so as you can see 1ml means very little.
Arimidex should be dosed relatively to the dose of Aromatising drug used… for the majority around 4-600mg of Test a week will require around 0.25mg to 0.5mg per DAY… it is rare for someone with that dose of test to only require 0.125mg/day. This is especially true if you are concerned about excess fat and water gain… a high amount of AI will allow low/moderate amounts of Test to become really quite a ‘lean gains’ drug. I personally consider low moderate from 250mg to as high as 700mg.
Most users of TRT at 100mg Test a week will be happy with around 0.125mg adex a day, or 1mg a week.
You clearly desire a low estrogen level, and also a high strength increase… but you have stated that you do want some size… upto 6kg (13lbs!!) of it as a matter of fact… well it should be noted that even for those drugs that are considered ‘sloppy mass gainers’ like Anadrol or Dianabol… where water is gained in abundance, this is temporary and post cycle you are left with whatever muscle you built and little else.
With a strict diet, dianabol and test (a traditional real bulk and size cycle) can produce a very desirable look with minimal water and fat gain and large size and strength increases.
Large is of course relative… i consider a large muscle gain to be around the 10lb mark… many others consider 30lbs large (but show me a drug that gives 30lbs lean muscle per 6-12 weeks and i’ll show you the lord himself).
The point i am trying to make is simple, size is determined by food intake and little else… if you eat in a caloric surplus to what you burn, your body (on AAS) will be able to build the maximum amount of muscle.
If you eat within your metabolic expenditure on AAS then you will forge a lean, hard and muscular physique - i have an inkling this sounds desirable to you…?
You should also be aware that with the goal you outlined strength and upto 6kg in size, you could run an all out bulk for 12 weeks and still fall short of your goal… so don’t be afraid to use ‘real’ drugs in decent doses.
Anyway… down to the cycle:
Assuming the dose of Test is 200mg - and you can adjust if the dose is 250mg;
w1-6 90mg Oxandrolone ED
w1-5 465mg Test E (200mg E3D with 400mg Frontload)
w1-6.25mg Adex EOD
40/40/20/20 Nolva PCT+.125mg Adex E3D through PCT
w2-8 420mg Anavar (60mg ED)*
w1-6 500mg Test E**
w1-6 0.25-0.5mg Adex ED
Wk9-12 Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20
- 60mg will give you the benefits of Var… 90mg will too but at a higher cost with little extra. IF you have the extra money, add a little dbol at 2x10mg a day… this would do wonders for this cycle. Tren would be preferred over var IME, but it is going to be harder to get as an underground product.
** Inject 215mg E3D with 650mg Frontload. You could inject 250mg E3D for ease of measuring of either concentration… i would choose this over 200mg E3D. If you inject 250mg E3D then frontload with 700mg-750mg.
This is a good, solid, fully functioning cycle that will promote strength and size with control over fat and water. Add this to a clean diet that is high in protein and a committed lifting program and you will be very pleased.
As you can see, you nearly had it.
That was a great help
The Primotest I can get is 250mg per ml so that is a plus.
The only question I have now is about the Adex, I was advised that continuing Adex at a low dose through PCT would stop any E rebound, you stop it with the Primotest. Which is correct, or is it just preference?
So my cycle with everyones help is now looking like this.
w2-8 60mg ED Var (420mg EW)
w1-6 1ml/250mg Primotest E3D (3ml/750mg Front load)
w1-6 .25mg ED Adex (increased to .5 if E sides appear)
40/40/20/20 Tamoxifen PCT (with .125mg Adex ED/EOD if E rebound is seen as an issue)
Thanks for the help.