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Newbie Looking for Clarification on Arimidex


#1

Man first of all I realize this subject has been beat to death but I still thought I would try and get some opinions and clarification from the more experienced gentlemen. First off this is my second cycle. I did not run any arimidex at all on my first cycle and experienced no gyno whatsoever. I'm running the same cycle again and it looks like this:

weeks 1-14 500mg test e
weeks 1-6 60mg tbol ED

PCT weeks 16-20 nolva 40/40/20/20

Now my question is should I run the arimidex anyways? I have it on hand. It seems like every second forum I read some guys say use it anyways and some say only if needed. Is it beneficial to use even if youre not gyno prone? What if any would the pros/cons be of using it vs not using it?


#2

Yes you should use an AI to control you Estrogen, regardless of whether you get gyno or not.

I recommend that you educate yourself more on what the drugs you are using do, the effect that they have on your body and how to manage them.

If you don’t use an AI you will finish your cycle with high estrogen - What effect will this have on your HPTA?


#3

educate myself more? wtf do you think im doing when im asking a question on t nation? I have educated myself just fine. 50% of users say to run adex 50% of users say not to. thanks for your worthless information. Maybe you should read my question before you answer next time bro.


#4

All you need to google “high estrogen steroids” and you will find your answers. Plenty of issues, of most concern for the average user is you will add fat easier than muscle with high estrogen levels. If you didn’t take an AI before then you left some of your gains on the table. You really need bloodwork before and during your cycle to know where you are at on estrogen levels.

It has been discussed plenty in this forum too which you can find by using the search function. Look up, look right, there it is.


#5

[quote]mitchvancity wrote:
educate myself more? wtf do you think im doing when im asking a question on t nation? I have educated myself just fine. 50% of users say to run adex 50% of users say not to. thanks for your worthless information. Maybe you should read my question before you answer next time bro.[/quote]

Well I thought I answered your question quite well. I told you to use the AI to avoid high estrogen and suggested you do a bit more research to understand the problems this can cause. I also offered a question for you to answer as a means to direct you research towards the effect estrogen has on the HPTA.

This unexpected hostile outburst has hurt my feelings.


#6

[quote]mitchvancity wrote:
educate myself more? wtf do you think im doing when im asking a question on t nation? I have educated myself just fine. 50% of users say to run adex 50% of users say not to. thanks for your worthless information. Maybe you should read my question before you answer next time bro.[/quote]

No need to be a prick. There is a sticky in the TRT forum that outlines why you should control estrogen. It is a great starting read.

What is being suggested to you is that you read on how the mechanisms work in your body then you won’t have to poll people on the internet on what you put into your body.


#7

do some research on prostate cancer, BPH, and hepatic adenomas…

then see if you want to have your AI “on hand” or actually use it.


#8

You need to separate facts from bro-science. Its not a 50:50 survey or popularity contest.

Also see this: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/the_pct_serm_dosing_in_this_forum_is_wrong

You do not want high estrogens. SERM’s only act in selected tissues, others are exposed. SERM’s do not decrease estrogens and often increase estrogens. Estrogens interfere with the actions of testosterone.

If you get totally messed up, you can always limp over to the TRT forum and learn what you need there.


#9

Sorry for the hostility. I had just been reading so many different opinions that I was getting frustrated. I appreciate the link. I have one question still if one of you guys could help…even though I was a dick and I do apologize.

So lets say Im running my 60 mgs of t bol a day with 500 mg of test e (pinned 250mg twice a week). Now im running the anastrozole at .25 eod.

The week inbetween my last pin and beginning my pct do i still run the anastrozol for that week? Im gonna run the nolva for my pct at a low dose and for longer like KSman recommended I just didnt see anything about bridging the AI?


#10

You do not want any AI gap. [That is what I am fighting against.]
Suggest that you do the lower SERM doses that I suggest all through your cycle so testes never shut down, or use hCG. Then PCT is letting T levels wash out. You are then on lower AI and PCT is just a taper, cruising for a few weeks on the AI.

For normal anastrozole responder, 0.25mg EOD is enough for a guy on 100mg/week testosterone. I don’t think that you read that thread deep enough. There are recommendations and explanations there. Understand “competitive drug”.