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#1

This will be the basis of what I plan to be two 8-10 week cycles per year — this one being a Fall/Winter cycle designed for size/strength. The other will be a Spring cut cycle (with something other than test).

Goal: To keep the lean mass that is gained. This will be part of a multi-year plan, so gaining 20-30lb per cycle is not necessary.

Stats:
35 years old
Lifting age 14+ years
5’10"
190lbs
16%BF

Week 1 Frontload 800mg of Enanthate
0.25mg A-dex EOD

Weeks 2-10 400mg of Enanthate
0.25mg A-dex EOD

Weeks 12-14 HCG
(taper from 250iu ED to
25iu per day as per P-22’s
protocol)

Weeks 15-16 Nolvadex 40mg ED

Weeks 17-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED

I know 400mg per week is on the low side, but I’m anticipating having to up that to 600mg+ over the course of a few years. This isn’t a one-shot deal, so I’m being conservative.
I know its best to start a “bulk” cycle as lean as possible, so I’ll be spending the summer getting my BF down to the 10% range.
Any comments would be appreciated since I’ve used an assload of posts on this site to put this together.

#2

This sucks big fat,green,donkey goob. You should get more facials than jenna jamison with this man!Do some research before you pin!p.m. me.

biscuite

#3

[quote]biscuite wrote:
This sucks big fat,green,donkey goob. You should get more facials than jenna jamison with this man!Do some research before you pin!p.m. me.

biscuite[/quote]

Not sure who pm’d you dude but it wasn’t me. Just asking for some feedback on planning my first cycle. I’ve been researching my ass off and want to make sure I’ve got my bases covered. If you’re looking to flame someone for the hell of it you should probably go somewhere else.

#4

[quote]biscuite wrote:
p.m. me.

biscuite[/quote]

Biscuite is a kool guy who should not leave :)… I think he was telling you that you can pm him if your were having troubles.

-halflife

#5

[quote]halflife wrote:
biscuite wrote:
p.m. me.

biscuite

Biscuite is a kool guy who should not leave :)… I think he was telling you that you can pm him if your were having troubles.

-halflife
[/quote]

Ummmm…yeah. That’s what he said al right.
Maybe you’re right, though. Biscuite can stay and I’ll leave. Trying to get any useful any information from these forums has become a monumental waste of time. So long T-Nation…

#6

[quote]Jeff_with_a_G wrote:
Ummmm…yeah. That’s what he said al right.
Maybe you’re right, though. Biscuite can stay and I’ll leave. Trying to get any useful any information from these forums has become a monumental waste of time. So long T-Nation…[/quote]

Wow Jeff. Biscuit-Boy offers to help (granted it was in his usual southern style) and you decide to that the forums shit. If you look at all the posts in the steroid section you’ll see that there are many regulars who will give you a wealth of advice as long as you are willing to listen. Granted Biscuite isn’t the most subtle guy when it comes to replies:-D, but he has a genuine concern for the safety and wellbeing of all the guys posting on this site.

Now if you want any advice let me know. You can either post again or P.M me.

Peace,

Tone

#7

[quote]Jeff_with_a_G wrote:
This will be the basis of what I plan to be two 8-10 week cycles per year — this one being a Fall/Winter cycle designed for size/strength. The other will be a Spring cut cycle (with something other than test).

Goal: To keep the lean mass that is gained. This will be part of a multi-year plan, so gaining 20-30lb per cycle is not necessary.

Stats:
35 years old
Lifting age 14+ years
5’10"
190lbs
16%BF

Week 1 Frontload 800mg of Enanthate
0.25mg A-dex EOD

Weeks 2-10 400mg of Enanthate
0.25mg A-dex EOD

Weeks 12-14 HCG
(taper from 250iu ED to
25iu per day as per P-22’s
protocol)

Weeks 15-16 Nolvadex 40mg ED

Weeks 17-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED

I know 400mg per week is on the low side, but I’m anticipating having to up that to 600mg+ over the course of a few years. This isn’t a one-shot deal, so I’m being conservative.
I know its best to start a “bulk” cycle as lean as possible, so I’ll be spending the summer getting my BF down to the 10% range.
Any comments would be appreciated since I’ve used an assload of posts on this site to put this together.[/quote]

  • the frontload is fine.
  • the dosages are fine.
  • the duration is fine.
  • test only is a good option whether it is your 1st cycle or your tenth, so the AAS chosen is fine.
  • the a-dex dosage is on the low/conservative side. 0.5 mg EOD is more of a standard dose.
  • i don’t like the HCG protocol, or the use of HCG whatsoever for a cycle like this. IMO if you choose to mess with HCG then you should start a weekend protocol @ week 3 and run very very conservative IU doses of 250 or less…that being said, the use of HCG is not necessary at all in this cycle!
  • i think you could start your PCT at week 14…15 at the latest.

with your goals in mind, it is not a bad cycle lay out…just needs some tweaking. if you were to add anything, i would suggest a d-bol jumpstart. 25-30 mg ED for 4 weeks would do the job.

good luck.

#8

Hey Jeff,
Didn’t know you were so fragile.lol. p.m. me ,as in …p.m. me.The world is a cruel place.Adapt and overcome.Lead,follow,or get the hell out of the way.If it’s help you want you got it.If you want smoke blown up your skirt,you go somewhere else.

biscuite

#9

[quote]Jeff_with_a_G wrote:
This will be the basis of what I plan to be two 8-10 week cycles per year — this one being a Fall/Winter cycle designed for size/strength. The other will be a Spring cut cycle (with something other than test).

Goal: To keep the lean mass that is gained. This will be part of a multi-year plan, so gaining 20-30lb per cycle is not necessary.

Stats:
35 years old
Lifting age 14+ years
5’10"
190lbs
16%BF

Week 1 Frontload 800mg of Enanthate
0.25mg A-dex EOD

Weeks 2-10 400mg of Enanthate
0.25mg A-dex EOD

Weeks 12-14 HCG
(taper from 250iu ED to
25iu per day as per P-22’s
protocol)

Weeks 15-16 Nolvadex 40mg ED

Weeks 17-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED

I know 400mg per week is on the low side, but I’m anticipating having to up that to 600mg+ over the course of a few years. This isn’t a one-shot deal, so I’m being conservative.
I know its best to start a “bulk” cycle as lean as possible, so I’ll be spending the summer getting my BF down to the 10% range.
Any comments would be appreciated since I’ve used an assload of posts on this site to put this together.[/quote]

Yall think his PCT is ‘OK’ minus the HCG?

#10

[quote]halflife wrote:
Yall think his PCT is ‘OK’ minus the HCG?[/quote]

I don’t think it matters as Jeff has left the building.

#11

[quote]TONEdef wrote:
halflife wrote:
Yall think his PCT is ‘OK’ minus the HCG?

I don’t think it matters as Jeff has left the building.[/quote]

Yes, he can leave the HGC, but need to move the nolva up to start in its place.

JW

#12

[quote]biscuite wrote:
Hey Jeff,
Didn’t know you were so fragile.lol. p.m. me ,as in …p.m. me.The world is a cruel place.Adapt and overcome.Lead,follow,or get the hell out of the way.If it’s help you want you got it.If you want smoke blown up your skirt,you go somewhere else.

biscuite[/quote]

Biscuite can’t help it, he is from Alabama. LOL

#13

Good to see you jw.Sooooooooooeeeeeeeeee.LOL.Not.

Rollin me some Tide,
biscuite

#14

[quote]biscuite wrote:
Good to see you jw.Sooooooooooeeeeeeeeee.LOL.Not.

Rollin me some Tide,
biscuite[/quote]

LOL. I can almost hear duelling banjos.

#15

That some funny shit tone.Have a good one.

biscuite

#16

[quote]biscuite wrote:
Good to see you jw.Sooooooooooeeeeeeeeee.LOL.Not.

Rollin me some Tide,
biscuite[/quote]

What up man. I have been out for while, but I’m back.

JW

#17

Im well jw thanks for asking.