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Newb Cycle Planning!

Just some background…

Trained on and off in highschool, starting at a measly 130. Stopped for a while because IRL kicked in. Been training serious for about 2 years, 22 years old 6’1 187lbs(from 150) ~10-11% bodyfat.

Suffered a minor RC tear about 9 months ago, never lost ROM. I had some therapy done and still do rehab work. I’ve been doing full shoulder/chest workouts for 2-3 months now (with less weight than before) but I’m definitely making progress - not even a little pain on most days. Chest was pulling ahead of all my other musclegroups before injury, and now my chest/shoulders are almost on par with everything else.

I mention all of this because I want to make sure I don’t make anything worse (maybe deca masking pain that I prefer to have there as a warning) and to also see if there are any options for accelerating my already great recovery.

I am new to steroids, but I’ve been doing quite a bit of research the past few months. I’m not quite sure what I’ll be able to get my hands on, I believe I’ve found a few legit UGLs. This is what I’ve come up with.

W 1-12 Test E 500-600mg/week. (inject twice a week)

W 1-4 D-Bol 50mg/day. (2 pops a day, 25mg ea)

W 1-12 Adex 0.25 mg/every other day

W 1-8 Deca 300-400mg/day. (maybe)

Would it be a bad idea to add Deca to my cycle? The joint help is what drew me to it(I now train very carefully, but I have small and weak joints), and I think it would help with my bulk; but this probably won’t be my only cycle so if I’m better off with just the test/dbol then I’m fine with that.


W 13 Nolva 20mg(x2)/day
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/day

It’s important to me that my side effects are minimal, so if you see an issue with my dosages, or some way I can improve my PCT even a little bit, I would love to hear it.

Should I run some liver support while on the dbol?
Will the test help increase my appetite? I get my macros in all the time but sometimes I’m an hour or two later than I’d like, because I’m stuffing food down that I couldn’t get down earlier.

Thanks in advance!

ps; im going to bloodtest before starting

If you do enough research and looking around you would see that it is suggested to do a test only cycle for your first cycle. I am currently doing my first cycle, same weight as you but a few inches shorter and a year younger. My cycle is as follows, and I think it is a good basic cycle for a first cycle:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-4 DBol 20-30mg/day
4-12 HCG 500iu/wk
1-12 Adex 0.5mg EOD/E3D

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Some people say you dont need clomid in your pct, but I have never experienced sides with it and it seems to work better at raising my test than nolva does. But everybody is going to react differently to this kind of stuff. Its your decision on what you want to do. But adding in three compounds, if you’re experiencing sides you are going to have no idea which compound is giving you those sides. I would save deca for later on. Odds are this isnt going to be your first and only cycle.

yea i was probably going to stay away from the deca anyway, still just wanna hear what everyone has to say. don’t think i need hcg/adex, what does everyone else think?

will probably just go with the test-e and dbol, with nolva for pct(i dont think i need both clomid and nolva…)

also figuring that even though im using two compounds (test-e and dbol) if i experience sides or any problems i’ll be able to pick it apart since i’ll only be on the dbol for 1/3 of the cycle. problems early = dbol, and if any problems persist then its obviously the test.

You dont need both clomid and nolva for pct. I like using both, and I think my body responds better to clomid than nolva. But that is going to vary from person to person. There are many people that will tell you just nolva is fine though. I guess its up to you. Its your body. But I would rather have an AI and HCG on hand. Having HCG will make recovery easier, and an AI will help to control estrogen. You dont absolutely need HCG. Its just a good thing to add in. You do need an AI though. You would be an idiot to not have an AI on hand for this cycle. I would do more research before taking the plunge. All of your answers are on these forums.

there is no logical reason to stack clomid and nolva… and again, for the record, 20 mg/day of nolva is pretty much equal to 150 mg/day of clomid. and nolva doesn’t DECREASE your response to GnRH like clomid does…

but anyway, if you’re running deca (or anything that raises prolactin), then you’re be better off running toremefin for PCT, as it is the only SERM that lowers prolactin.