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just a quick post to say hello and introduce myself, and a bit of background why I’m here.
I’m not a bodybuilder, just an average 47 YO that was a little over weight. 5’10" ~185lb.
I’ve heard all the commercials about Low T and did some research found this site and decided to get mine checked.

Now I’m on TRT Test Cyp. 1ML weekly, after experiencing some great benefits I felt really strong and wanted to take full advantage of the TEST, so I started doing push-ups, pull-up, chin-ups & crunches (even at work) and have been recording my daily activities. I’ve noticed great results since I started TRT in July. My weight shot up to 193# a month later, and my doctor said it was the muscle gain (but I do look fuller in the arms).
So my wife and I started eating right, we both did a whole body cleanse and started using an iPhone app to log our meals- now I’m at 177#.

But since October I’ve lost the “strength” that I was experiencing - along with some of the other symptoms I’ve read here.

I know everyone likes numbers here, and unfortunately I didn’t learn what to look at before I started TRT - so no before TRT data other than the T results.

Pre- TRT data: (15 June 12)
Total T 252 ng/dl (250-1100) reference
Free T 48.0 pg/ml (35-155) reference

TRT data 4 months: (26 Oct12) I have other information with this test, as this was also an annual check up/ physical. If you think it has any information you might need, just ask.
Total T 1056 ng/dl (250-1100) reference
Free T 224.6 pg.ml High (35-155) reference

I had talked to my doctor about using an AI and HCG in July, and he said it wasn’t necessary for my dosage.

So after reading here about E following T and given how I feel, I decided to look into an AI supplement while I was at GNC - thats when the guy mentioned about the Formeron by Black Lion research.

I haven’t seen anything on here about it, but thought I’d give it a try based on the information I’ve found searching.

But before I started using it, I called my Dr. and requested a test for DHT & E2 (Quest Sensitive 4021x) but this test wasn’t found and the 439x was substituted - Not sure what that will tell me, but will post the results when I get them.

I’ve been reading the stickies and learning allot in the short time I’ve been here and plan on making this my home.

As a newb here myself, welcome! This sure seems like the place to be if your want trt done right.

[quote]Ned wrote:
As a newb here myself, welcome! This sure seems like the place to be if your want trt done right. [/quote]

I agree, thanks for the welcome!

Self injecting? Try injecting 50mg twice a week.
When was the lab work done relative to prior injection?
Refer to your doses by mg’s, not volumes.

That lab is wrong, no use for total estrogens.
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/BUOrderInfo.action?TC=439X&labCode=QUX

We just do not work with that and it does not hook into our experience. We can get an overall picture.

Formeron states that it is a prohormone and thus criminalized as a schedule anabolic steroid III drug [USA]. It is less cost effective than research chemical anastrozole and little is known about its dose-response and safety. The hype about “suicide inhibitor” is just that, hype. Anastrozole is more effective.

[quote]KSman wrote:
Self injecting? Try injecting 50mg twice a week.
When was the lab work done relative to prior injection?
Refer to your doses by mg’s, not volumes.

That lab is wrong, no use for total estrogens.
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/BUOrderInfo.action?TC=439X&labCode=QUX

We just do not work with that and it does not hook into our experience. We can get an overall picture.

Formeron states that it is a prohormone and thus criminalized as a schedule anabolic steroid III drug [USA]. It is less cost effective than research chemical anastrozole and little is known about its dose-response and safety. The hype about “suicide inhibitor” is just that, hype. Anastrozole is more effective.


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Thanks for the reply, Didn’t find anything about that bing banned, when looking for info on the Formeron. Should I discontinue the use?
I’ll look into the Anastrozole, you recommending that as to an alternative to an AI?

The test were performed on Fridays - and injections are done on Sundays.

Anastrozole [Arimidex] is the main Aromatase Inhibitor. Start looking things up on Wikipedia.

The legislation does not have to refer to a specific chemical. It refers to any substance that is anabolic or one that is converted into such inside the body. Some have noted that this makes possession of cholesterol a crime. Some idiots that we voted for a few years ago then tried to criminalize DHEA. Note that Canada, UK and some other Common Wealth countries did this. Importing/selling/possessing DHEA in Canada has the same criminal implications as importing testosterone.