[quote]doogie wrote:
Victims not mostly poor or black
STATISTICS CHALLENGE SOME WIDELY HELD ASSUMPTIONS
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Good information. The MSM is good at ignoring this. This allows nutjobs like Con-you West to get away with his vile crap. “Evil whitey hates blacks. Bush hates black people.”
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Careful what you say here – common sense will often bring out the liberal attack dogs. Wanting to have some say in how your tax dollars are spent is a ‘red flag’ to our resident liberals (see my 'The Real Victims of Katrina ’ thread). Then again, I love a good brawl… 
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If I were forced to reduce myself to being identified with one political persuasion I would probably say I am a liberal. I just don’t have my head up my ass. Liberals can have efficient allocation of resources in mind, most just are taught to not take it into consideration, much like most conservatives are taught that governmental structures can never be efficient. Too many people on both sides have their heads up their asses.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Careful what you say here – common sense will often bring out the liberal attack dogs. [/quote]
How the hell would you know? Wouldn’t you have to had first posted something resembling common sense in order to make that connection?
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Wanting to have some say in how your tax dollars are spent is a ‘red flag’ to our resident liberals (see my 'The Real Victims of Katrina ’ thread). Then again, I love a good brawl… :)[/quote]
Riiight…but us “liberals” bitching about the waste of a few hundred billion of our tax dollars in Iraq is somehow different than you bitching about your tax dollars going to New Orleans?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What you eluded to again with this statement, “I know that MANY blacks do not like how they are portrayed by the media” implies that the actions of others represent all blacks. How am I alone portrayed in the media? Until you can avoid grouping an entire race together with the actions of a few, you are part of the problem as well.
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I’m not part of the problem… quite the opposite in fact.
Is it not true (not saying I agree) that the majority of all people are stereotyped by media presentation?
Example: When a Catholic Priest is caught for pedophilia, is it not true that the entire Catholic Religion is discredited in public opinion? Except for maybe a practicing Catholic. Right?
During Katrina, you were shown the same fricking footage of blacks looting for a month. You were told of crimes that never happened in the Superdome and Convention Center where the majority of evacuees were black. Did this not effect the opinion of blacks on a National scale? Perhaps only New Orleans blacks?
Is the skyrocketing black on black crimes in Houston between locals and evacuees helping or hurting public perception? Is it creating racial stereotypes or simply confirming them?
I’m not saying I agree or buy into it, I’m saying it is how perception is influenced by media and both black and white politicians use minority groups as racial Pawns, especialy blacks. I would like to see respected black leaders put their foot down and say enough is enough. I believe it would be good for blacks, and would overall help racial issues that are created through media stereotyping.
[quote]jackreape wrote:
I am from there, and am moving home next week. It is a huge lie that the storm hit blacks, or even the poor, more so than anybody else. All economic strata’s homes got blasted, the poor just stayed so they could get their welfare check on the 1st. I have driven around the town and if you check out Lakeview, New Orleans East, Chalmette, Center City, etc., you get this is not the story peddled by the media.
The place was screwed up before the storm. Laughable that those who screwed up the schools (the black political power groups) think the storm will fix it. LOL. Even funnier that the Liberal “Environmentalists” raise the specter of declaring large parts of the city “Wetlands”. The money DC sent for years to fix and maintain the Levies is in the pockets of politicians (black and white) and their connected friends. People wonder why Duke got such support in sections of the city. Answer: He was the least dishonest politician by a mile.
Still wonderful people and great food.
jack[/quote]
Welcome Home!
[quote]RHINO928 wrote:
I’m not part of the problem… quite the opposite in fact.
Is it not true (not saying I agree) that the majority of all people are stereotyped by media presentation?
Example: When a Catholic Priest is caught for pedophilia, is it not true that the entire Catholic Religion is discredited in public opinion? Except for maybe a practicing Catholic. Right?
During Katrina, you were shown the same fricking footage of blacks looting for a month. You were told of crimes that never happened in the Superdome and Convention Center where the majority of evacuees were black. Did this not effect the opinion of blacks on a National scale? Perhaps only New Orleans blacks?
Is the skyrocketing black on black crimes in Houston between locals and evacuees helping or hurting public perception? Is it creating racial stereotypes or simply confirming them?
I’m not saying I agree or buy into it, I’m saying it is how perception is influenced by media and both black and white politicians use minority groups as racial Pawns, especialy blacks. I would like to see respected black leaders put their foot down and say enough is enough. I believe it would be good for blacks, and would overall help racial issues that are created through media stereotyping.
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Perception is only influenced if you allow it. Why do those on THIS SITE focus on looting in New Orleans as a representation of blacks while ignoring the millions stolen through Red Cross and by those committing insurance fraud in Florida? But looting represents blacks? Why don’t the other activities represent whites? You accept that and no one made you. You made the conscious choice to relate that to race. But you are part of the solution? By spreading it again here? Please.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
But looting represents blacks? Why don’t the other activities represent whites? You accept that and no one made you. You made the conscious choice to relate that to race. But you are part of the solution? By spreading it again here? Please.[/quote]
I said the media repeatedly showed it, I did not say I accepted it. Is this thread not about race? How do you avoid relating race, when it’s the topic?
Exactly what have I “spread” that you would have to be living under a rock to have missed?
You seem to lean towards the recovery efforts having racial bias. Care to expand on that and provide some facts? Or you going to keep prodding me over referring to blacks?
I think we must be cautious not to paint all discussion with the broad brush of “racism.” To do so invites a stupor of thought and discussion. And it’s often an overly simplistic attempt to silence any differing viewpoints without addressing the specific issues or comments raised. You’ve done a damn good job of attempting to do so here.
[quote]RHINO928 wrote:
I said the media repeatedly showed it, I did not say I accepted it. Is this thread not about race? How do you avoid relating race, when it’s the topic?[/quote]
Because it being a topic based on opinion that even represents most blacks or is a representation of “blacks in America” is part of the problem. Ask yourself, why don’t people seperate for themselves the message from the entire ethnic group? Why wouldn’t this specifically be about who made the claim instead of a generalization? Why was there no article attached that supported this? But you easily accepted it as valid? How odd coming from the solution.
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Exactly what have I “spread” that you would have to be living under a rock to have missed?[/quote]
Your first opinion spread was a list of what “blacks” needed to fix in order to increase our status in America. To this I informed you that you don’t speak for blacks in this country and that I am sure this won’t even sink in. Surprise.
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You seem to lean towards the recovery efforts having racial bias. Care to expand on that and provide some facts? Or you going to keep prodding me over referring to blacks?[/quote]
Where did I write that the recovery efforts had racial bias? Don’t make up shit just so you can actually have a point.
Please. You are the one who focused on race along with the original poster. You seem to be unable to face this fact as you put this offense off on me. Perhaps your mirror needs Windex?
[quote]mark57 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Careful what you say here – common sense will often bring out the liberal attack dogs.
How the hell would you know? Wouldn’t you have to had first posted something resembling common sense in order to make that connection?
Wanting to have some say in how your tax dollars are spent is a ‘red flag’ to our resident liberals (see my 'The Real Victims of Katrina ’ thread). Then again, I love a good brawl…
Riiight…but us “liberals” bitching about the waste of a few hundred billion of our tax dollars in Iraq is somehow different than you bitching about your tax dollars going to New Orleans?
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See what I mean? Didn’t take long!! LMAO
And don’t hijack the thread and turn this into an Iraq bitchfest. If you’d read ANYTHING I’ve written, you’d know that I opposed YOU having to fund the Iraq war.
Go back under your rock. You’re out of your league here, MarkIQ57.
Rhino,
Professor X will never agree with anything you say, no matter what it is. I’ve noticed this same interesting phenomenon in a very few of my black students over the years: the view that whites are simply evil by nature. It’s hard to explain, it’s like the concept of Original Sin. Simply because you are white, you are evil.
A profound example of this goes back to the myths taught by Elijah Mohammed and accepted by some in the black community – that whites are an evil creation by a wicked wizard (been a few years since I read Malcolm X, so it may be slightly different).
So, Rhino, enjoy arguing with the Prof . But, unless it is a dead-on match with one of his views, ‘you can’t possibly be right’.
I don’t have the original article but any search for katrina or new orleans on yahoo news, cnn news etc. will get you what you need in regards to the topic.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Rhino,
Professor X will never agree with anything you say, no matter what it is. I’ve noticed this same interesting phenomenon in a very few of my black students over the years: the view that whites are simply evil by nature. It’s hard to explain, it’s like the concept of Original Sin. Simply because you are white, you are evil.
A profound example of this goes back to the myths taught by Elijah Mohammed and accepted by some in the black community – that whites are an evil creation by a wicked wizard (been a few years since I read Malcolm X, so it may be slightly different).
So, Rhino, enjoy arguing with the Prof . But, unless it is a dead-on match with one of his views, ‘you can’t possibly be right’.[/quote]
The fact that you teach children upsets me. If it were simply you with these viewes with no potential to infect others, it would simply be one person on the planet easily ignored.
As far as rebuilding is concerned here is my take:
I support rebuilding new orleans in a smaller denser, more population and eco friendly manner.
In saying this I want mass transit (not busses I want rail systems, and efficient ones like those in germany), I want buildings to work more with environmental means ie: solar panels etc, and I want sturdier homes ie: made with steel construction materials like those used on the east coast. If a house is in poor condition, burn it down, and then rebuild. That is my take my reasoning is as follows:
1.) a mass transit system could be used in evacuations of the city due to hurricanes, and also would reduce the number of cars on the road and make it easier to commute for poorer people.
2.) Eco-friendly - yes we need more parks, plant some trees, we also need to start developing solar power as a viable technology for use in homes. Setup some tax refunds or some manner of funds and get them to those that are willing to go this route, actually force many to go this route.
3.) construction methods - many of those homes were old rickety pieces of crap anyways. Granted a newer home with modern construction may not have withstood the hurricane but its odds are better.
If they can’t incorporate mass transit, some form of eco power and better construction along with some more public lands / trails then I propose demolishing everything that isn’t easily repairable after paying the owner what it is worth - insurance. If they want to move let them atleast some town will hopefully benefit from their labor / tax base increase.
prof x,
I will agree that the evil white empire idea is somewhat odd.
[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
prof x,
I will agree that the evil white empire idea is somewhat odd. [/quote]
Dude, that’s more than odd. This guy is obviously racist yet not one person who claims “conservative” as a shining title seems to say anything in opposition to it. That is what speaks louder than anything to me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hardcore_balla wrote:
prof x,
I will agree that the evil white empire idea is somewhat odd.
Dude, that’s more than odd. This guy is obviously racist yet not one person who claims “conservative” as a shining title seems to say anything in opposition to it. That is what speaks louder than anything to me.[/quote]
Disagreeing with you doesn’t make him a racist. His thinking you are a racist doesn’t make either of you a racist.
I skim most of his posts because I already read Atlas Shrugged once and that was enough–I don’t need to read a summary of it everyday. Post a quote of something you specifically think he said that was racist.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hardcore_balla wrote:
prof x,
I will agree that the evil white empire idea is somewhat odd.
Dude, that’s more than odd. This guy is obviously racist yet not one person who claims “conservative” as a shining title seems to say anything in opposition to it. That is what speaks louder than anything to me.
Disagreeing with you doesn’t make him a racist. His thinking you are a racist doesn’t make either of you a racist.
I skim most of his posts because I already read Atlas Shrugged once and that was enough–I don’t need to read a summary of it everyday. Post a quote of something you specifically think he said that was racist.
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I think what he just wrote is. He just generalized the thinking of a race of people in this country. Adding that into everything he has written is exactly what that points to. He has to say, “Hey, I’m a racist!” for that to come across? Most racists in this country don’t think they are.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hardcore_balla wrote:
prof x,
I will agree that the evil white empire idea is somewhat odd.
Dude, that’s more than odd. This guy is obviously racist yet not one person who claims “conservative” as a shining title seems to say anything in opposition to it. That is what speaks louder than anything to me.
Disagreeing with you doesn’t make him a racist. His thinking you are a racist doesn’t make either of you a racist.
I skim most of his posts because I already read Atlas Shrugged once and that was enough–I don’t need to read a summary of it everyday. Post a quote of something you specifically think he said that was racist.
I think what he just wrote is. He just generalized the thinking of a race of people in this country. Adding that into everything he has written is exactly what that points to. He has to say, “Hey, I’m a racist!” for that to come across? Most racists in this country don’t think they are.[/quote]
He said he’s had “a very few” black students who think all white people are evil. That’s not racist. If he said ALL black people think white people are evil, that would have been racist.
[quote]doogie wrote:
He said he’s had “a very few” black students who think all white people are evil. That’s not racist. If he said ALL black people think white people are evil, that would have been racist.
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Doogie, we have seen the depths of how you think in terms of race in other threads. Perhaps you should let the debate lay in the hands of others. It isn’t like you were smelling like roses as you discussed a certain Holiday a couple of weeks ago. I will simply leave it at that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, that’s more than odd. This guy is obviously racist yet not one person who claims “conservative” as a shining title seems to say anything in opposition to it. That is what speaks louder than anything to me.[/quote]
You realize you say this practically every time someone makes what you perceive to be a racial comment?
It’s tired. Oh, and the not-so-subtle insinuation that the self-styled conservatives here are racist - despite plenty of postings to the contrary, assuming you can read - is something you should be ashamed of.