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New Orleans


#1

Am I the only one that reads many of the articles on the new orleans rebuilding and just shakes my head in rage?

Granted I am not there but all of these claims that the racist whites are preventing the return of the african americans is really getting on my nerves.

Especially after this latest report where the city was divided into zones. Far be it from nature to be racist but she destroyed the lowest sea level areas the most. The report only states that the most intact regions should be re-estabilished first (should theoretically be easier) and then the last zone, the worst hit, should be taken care of, if not destroyed.

How does that not make sense people? WTF? Rebuild the areas that might bring in some money and people. Then move to the outlying areas. This isn't being racist, it is acting with one's head on their shoulders.

Don't get me started that these people don't seem to realize that 3/4 of a frickin city have been destroyed. That is not easy to just clean up. You are talking billions of dollars in construction, power lines, equipment etc that has to be replaced. I'm beginning to think I'm the only sane person around when I read these articles.

Sorry for the rant. Like I said, I am not there, nor do I know anyone there but this isn't something that will get fixed over night, if ever. Try 10+ years if anyone has the resolve to take it that far or if mother nature doesn't decide to cancel those plans first.


#2

I read it too and am disgusted. Don't the libs, black and white, ever get tired of playing the race card? Then that moron Con-you West SAYS how Bush hates blacks. One of my students (black) said how Bush hates blacks. I asked how he knows that. "Konye says so.", and the kid WAS SERIOUS!

So now, we've got money looted from taxpayers being sunk into another quagmire. What's next? Texas? California?

The American taxpayer -- milch cow for the world and its troubles.


#3

LOL.

Okay, so we'll wait nine years before we do any work on the lowest districts then?

All the other regions will be fixed up and pumping out cash, right?

So, the end result, after nine years of waiting, the people that lived there won't bother to come back.

Well, mission accomplished I suppose!

Heck, it does't matter if that is in fact anyones plan or not, men of conscience should not allow something like that to happen, just for the sake of efficiency.

Whether or not the whole thing is going to be a money pit is a seperate consideration... which I'm not in any way trying to address.


#4

Could you please provide the article(s) you are mentioning? Thanks


#5

Why is the government even bothering to re-build New Orleans? It is completley impracticle, the whole city is below sea level and in order to make it more secure against such natural disasters is going to cost even more money. It is freaking retarded, the government is effectively incentivizing people to live in a disaster-prone area. The same argument could easily be made for the 'islands' (they are essentially exposed and constantly moving sand barges) off the coast of Mississippi that also got destroyed - the government wasted your and my money every stinking year by moving sand around so these 'islands' wouldn't drift, and year after year the government would come in and replace any roads, electricity or sewage infrastructure that was damaged in the previous hurricane season.

This is a much broader problem, in the last many decades the government has effectively incentivized people to live in areas prone to natural disaster by repairing anything that was damaged - at a cost to taxpayers rather than residents - in a natural disaster. Look at the level of infrastructure that has been put in place and replaced repeatedly in hurricane- and tidal- prone costal areas of the US, or in the landslide prone mountainous areas of many southwestern states with sandy soils, or regular flood planes.

I'm not sure what the solution is from here, let alone the next step to take, but if there had not been so much activity that effectively incentivized people to live in catastrophy-prone areas, it is quite likely that the economic and human tolls of past environmental catastrophies would have been far less.


#6

It does get ridiculous. Funny how no one complains of this pork barrelling.


#7

Good point. The goal is to hurry and rebuild the French Quarter and not where the majority lived? The strangest occurance seems to be that many who moved to Texas don't plan on ever coming back anyway. As far as the lives of many, this natural forced move may just have been what many needed in terms of their own advancement. Some will take advantage of it. Some won't.


#8

None of the families that I've met plan to go back.

There was a report on ABC tonight about people who are rebuilding their homes, but may end up having their whole neighborhood turned into wetlands if enough people don't return (or if FEMA declares it uninsurable).

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/


#9

If u ain't from there it's very hard to understand the reasoning. Imagine if ur hometown was destroyed.


#10

OK, well I am from there and I'm bitching about the wrangling for cash at any cost.

BTW, St. Bernard Parish is still dark, but that's full of white people, so nobody cares. Half the homes stink of oil and gas because of leaks from the refinery.

The New Orleans protectorate conned the state and the people (it's not very hard) that the road to prosperity is to tax the hell out of productive business, and talk about the "robust" tourism trade. Well, that's nice and all, but when 70% of your economy (and most of the lower end jobs, which is well, most of them period) relies upon people spending money from out of town, you end up being forced to do all that is necessary to get those "furriners" back into town.


#11

Careful what you say here -- common sense will often bring out the liberal attack dogs. Wanting to have some say in how your tax dollars are spent is a 'red flag' to our resident liberals (see my 'The Real Victims of Katrina ' thread). Then again, I love a good brawl... :slight_smile:


#12

Here is an AP Report about the New Orleans rebuilding.

Plan: All New Orleans could be rebuilt

Wednesday, January 11, 2006; Posted: 7:10 a.m. EST (12:10 GMT)

? Special ReportNEW ORLEANS, Louisiana

(AP) -- Every part of this devastated city, from neighborhoods below sea level to mainstays of its storied culture, could have a chance to rebuild in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

As officials put together a blueprint for New Orleans' rebirth, a commission appointed by Mayor Ray Nagin was expected to recommend on Wednesday that residents be given the power to decide what shape their neighborhoods should take.

The Bring New Orleans Back Commission hopes to form a clearer picture of what areas would be rebuilt by the end of the year.

Its recommendations, which could become part of the master rebuilding plan, will likely draw fire from urban planners, who say many sections of the city are not safe from future flooding.

Building levees capable of withstanding a Category 3 storm and creating a government-funded reconstruction corporation to buy out land and properties are pivotal to the commission's rebuilding plans, according to members of the urban planning committee.

Doug Meffert, co-chairman of the sustainability subcommittee, said it also will be essential that homeowners can be bought out at fair market value. The subcommittee will recommend that the corporation buy out properties at full value minus what insurance pays out.

"If we are not able to buy out people, it will be difficult to redesign the city," Meffert said.

He said New Orleans would end up with "spotty development and angry residents" if the future of the city's devastated areas are left up to market forces.

Commission members were invited to think big when dreaming up ideas, with little regard for the price tag. That will be dealt with later, when New Orleans and other parts of the Gulf Coast divvy up the $29 billion in federal aid designated for hurricane recovery and reconstruction.

Some audacious ideas being considered are re-creating a long-gone jazz district, building a network of bike paths and commuter rail lines, and establishing a top-flight school system.

Recommendations will also call for tax incentives to lure new businesses and to keep those already here.

Another idea is to use tax credits to re-create Storyville, the city-backed red-light district that operated for 20 years until it was shut down in 1917. It was later razed.

The idea is not to bring back the sex trade, but rather reclaim the district's musical legacy. Many jazz pioneers -- Jelly Roll Morton, King Oliver and Manuel Perez among them -- played in the district's bordellos.

The commission is expected to propose revamping the city's public school system, which has been plagued by low-performing schools, broken facilities, high turnover and corruption.

Recommendations call for giving schools more autonomy, cutting the bureaucracy, creating more charter schools and giving parents more choice on where to send their children, said commission member Scott Cowen.

Neighborhood concern
But a recommendation that all parts of the city -- even the predominantly black Lower Ninth Ward, the worst-hit section -- should be given a chance to rebuild is likely to be among the most controversial.

The Urban Land Institute caused a stir late last year when it issued a report urging the city to put its resources into rebuilding areas that were not flooded. The institute warned that if New Orleans tried to rebuild everything, the city would be condemned to a slow, patchwork recovery.

The recommendation sparked outrage among many New Orleans residents, including former Mayor Marc Morial, who is president of the National Urban League.

He said the civil rights group would oppose any rebuilding plan that would wipe out neighborhoods where generations of families have lived. The group was also concerned about suggestions that some devastated areas could be turned into marshland or open space.

The commission's seven committees will each issue a report and turn them over to Nagin by January 20. The mayor can accept or reject any of the recommendations, a process that could take weeks.

The plan's final shape will be determined to a large degree by Congress and President Bush, who hold the purse strings.


#13

You're forgetting a few more AP stories...


Blanco orders remodeling just after storms

Office tab: $564,838

By MARK BALLARD
mballard@theadvocate.com
Capitol news bureau

Advocate staff photo by LIZ CONDO
Chris Scherer, foreman with CW Custom Cabinets, cleans up after installing walnut paneling and cabinetry Friday in the conference room on the sixth floor of the Capitol. Members of Gov. Kathleen Blanco's staff are scheduled to move into the newly renovated offices on Tuesday.
Some members of the governor's staff will return from the three-day holiday on Tuesday to newly renovated offices at the State Capitol.

Shortly after the two hurricanes, Gov. Kathleen Blanco decided to renovate some of her staff's offices. At the time of her decision, Blanco also was hinting at deep budget cuts to state programs and the possibility of laying off 20 percent of the state workforce.

The project cost $564,838.


NEW ORLEANS (AP) ? This city is dreaming big as it puts together a blueprint for its rebirth in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, considering such audacious ideas as re-creating a long-gone jazz district, building a network of bike paths and commuter rail lines, and establishing a top-flight school system.


Top flight school system? I presume that means all the parents will be replaced to accomplish that goal?

It's pretty simple: stop subsidizing insurance and recovery. Then people will build only where they can afford the risk, as judged by flood maps, etc. School vouchers would be nice, too.


#14

I am from there, and am moving home next week. It is a huge lie that the storm hit blacks, or even the poor, more so than anybody else. All economic strata's homes got blasted, the poor just stayed so they could get their welfare check on the 1st. I have driven around the town and if you check out Lakeview, New Orleans East, Chalmette, Center City, etc., you get this is not the story peddled by the media.

The place was screwed up before the storm. Laughable that those who screwed up the schools (the black political power groups) think the storm will fix it. LOL. Even funnier that the Liberal "Environmentalists" raise the specter of declaring large parts of the city "Wetlands". The money DC sent for years to fix and maintain the Levies is in the pockets of politicians (black and white) and their connected friends. People wonder why Duke got such support in sections of the city. Answer: He was the least dishonest politician by a mile.

Still wonderful people and great food.

jack


#15

Victims not mostly poor or black
STATISTICS CHALLENGE SOME WIDELY HELD ASSUMPTIONS

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/13513376.htm


#16

Real simple folks.

You want to keep your tax dollars? Well us here in Louisiana want you to keep them too!

Write your Congressman and tell him to vote to let Louisiana have (just 5%)a portion of our oil and gas money that goes to the FED. While states like Colarado (among many others) keep 50% of their oil and gas money, Louisiana money goes to wealthy states like California. No wonder we stay at the bottom, our money is being extorted to support other states!

Revenues generated by Louisiana is what helped build this country over the past 250 years. The Port of NOLA by itself, proveides the US with over 350,000 jobs. The surrounding ports push that figure to over 1.5 million.

As for this being a racial issue, what a fucking joke! It does not even deserve comment. And it would appear that most people commenting are clueless to the fact of the matter. More white people were effected than black people. It's a FACT, now deal with it. The sooner black people stop allowing politics to be played with their flesh, the sooner the entire black race will leap forward. Not holding my breath on that one though.


#17

Apparently, you feel qualified to be the voice for an entire race of people. I am not holding my breath on you figuring out this is not the case.


#18

I'm not attempting speak on behalf of the black race and I think you have your wires crossed or read more into my post than what was intended.
I don't "feel" a god damn thing. As for my qualifications, what is YOUR criteria to qualify me?

And I did not say the entire race condones this being done. I said it would help matters if it stopped. This includes the politicians both black and white that do so. I know that MANY blacks do not like how they are portrayed by the media and the pandering through politics is used as springboards. I don't like it either because it portrays a false picture of the black race (read majority).

Glad you continued breathing.


#19

What you eluded to again with this statement, "I know that MANY blacks do not like how they are portrayed by the media" implies that the actions of others represent all blacks. How am I alone portrayed in the media? Until you can avoid grouping an entire race together with the actions of a few, you are part of the problem as well.


#20

Rhino vs. Prof X! This should be good!!