[quote]cycomiko wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
example, the world record in the shot has been 70-73 feet for years and years now. say some dude shows up at the next Olympics, with the weird looking shoulder and elbow contraption on, two or three guys have to help him get it on, AND then they have to help him get the freaking shot put to his neck form the extended position just so he can start the throw. and BANG, hit hits 80 plus feet. who is going to take that record seriously? nobody. after everybody including the IOC laugh their asses off, the record would be erased and the guy would be laughed off the ring.
same scenario in Olympic lifting, Hussein shows up at the worlds with a super restrictive body suit on, and BAM! he jerks 650 over head. LOL see how ridiculous that shit is??
now mike, we have played on this subject before.
gear has been a part of the sport since the begining. Whether its Kaz in a squat suit, Jim Henderson with elbow wraps or the mummies of the 1960’s wrapping themselves head to toe in bed sheets.
its not something that has happened over night in the slightest. There has been an explosion in gear in the last few years, but strangely enough that happened at a similar time as PL in general started to increase in popularity…
PL has changed to the point it is barely recognizable form what i used to know.
If you look at IPF, it pretty much is.
The new federations are NEW so they cannot be compared to OLD.
If we take two motor car racing sports. Formula one and A1Gp class. They both race cars, they both go around curvy black tracks, except they perform differently, because they have different rules altering performance. Same as powerlifting invovles the three lifts, and different federations have different rules altering performance.
WPO is not comparable to anything from the 1980s and never will be.
People complaining about gear use holding our sport back havent really paid attention to what has happened over hte past 20 odd years. people wore gear when PL was on tv, and people wore gear through the 1980/early 1990s when PL were getting mentioned routinely in the BBing press.
Sure Miller “may” squat 1200 and people bitch that it doesnt break big Don’s raw record, but comparing them is pretty pointless.
Compare like to like.
if Mike is squatting 1200 under IPA conditions, what are his competition doing, if hes the best out of that competition then its his record. if he steps under the same style of competition as big Don, then it can be somewaht comparable.
Comparing siders 970 in the IPF to Millers 1220 is pointless as well, jsut like comparing lap times in F1 to A1GP classes. Two seperate entities under the same sporting heading.[/quote]
are you serious? did you read my whole post? i said that the reason that this stuff is even debatable nowdays is because it has slowly crept in over the last 10-15 years. i recently downloaded the douge young tribute, saw him do 700, 530, 700 with just a belt and ace wraps for his knees. the stories of the guys wrapping themselves up in bedsheets was a rarity, it was not widespread.
what yu said about not being able to compare the two, the race car analogy, i sort of agree with. on another forum i pretty much said the same thing.
i think for sanity sake, some big entitity like plusa needs to make a top 10 for each weight class, handicapping for gear. it can be done, just take the average carryover form guys who lift at RAW meets and geared meets, and devise a formula. if somebody does not like where he placed, he or she needs to either gear up, or go raw and see what they can do under different conditions.
the “Ring” magazine does the same thing for boxing champions and rankings, as they(boxing) faces a similar mess with al the different sanctioning bodies.