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New Cycle Hem or Hal

ok…to start am not pro…
im 5’11, 160lb 21yrs old
iv been trainin for around 2 years and 1 year serious
my max bench is 242lb
my arm curls are 88lb 5x5
im in good shape, and fairly well defined…iv been trying to keep my definition and put on another 14lb ~ 1 stone…of good weight…

my diet is fairly clean and i get alot of carbs, aim for 3500-4000 cals a day

anyway…i moved to america for a coaching job…and i dont get alot of time in the gym so it wasnt worth doing any supps.

in gym yesterday my lifts are now, 210lb on the bench and basically all my weights are lighter… obviously as am not doing the training.

so…supps…
before i came out here i did 3 weeks on halodrol liquigels, cycle was cut short due to coming out here for job
dymatize elite weight gainer
krealkalyne
anabol max
17 h-d
gakic
all types of protein
NOS

iv done these…halodrol liquigels a thought were really good

anyway i go home in 1 month, and my job has worked out that i can now go to the gym most days, 5 days possible

am looking for a stack to do this month, or if not… when i go home for a full cycle (ino my aims arent possible in 1month but when i return home)

my aims are to put on close to 6-10lb lean muscle and keep definition
5 day split training regime

ive been looking at halodrol 50 on its own, with milk thistle, and nolvadex as a pct

or hemadrol with same…

thoughts or any other stacks?
side effects?

Is just eating a lot and lifting hard not an option? Or even supplementing with protein and creatine? Also, what’s your max on squats out of curiosity?

I read:

5’11, 160 pounds, 2 years training, max bench and curls.

BENCH AND CURLS MAX !!

Next:

“before i came out here i did 3 weeks on halodrol liquigels, cycle was cut short”

You dont “cycle” liquid gels, they aren’t even prohormones.

You need to gain about 30 pounds before you should use prohormones.

Hdrol is a decent one actually, its quite mild, and yeilds good gains for most.

But you are no where near ready for even those baby pills, you need to get your diet and training down before you do anything.

Deadlifts, squats, rows, its not just the “same old same old” thing people tell you, dont think your the exception.

You have to do real lifts and you have to eat.

am not going to lie haha…my max sqaut is lower than my max bench…iv always focused on upper…i will be including leg work in next cycle…

iv been doing protein and creatine for over 2 years…then tried with anabol max then halodrol liguigels…

been looking at a few,

worked up this cycle…
load up on milk thistle
cycle support
hemadrol/superdrol/halodrol50/methyl1d??
liver detox and regen.
then reversitol

what would u go with? would this be enough?

Truthfully? I think you’re making a huge mistake. Half of what floats around calling itself a PH is crap. If by chance you got the real deal, it’s still a foolish idea. You don’t need a prohormone or AAS at the level you’re at. At 5’11 and 160lbs You’ve got plenty of potential left.

You basically sealed the deal when you said you bench more than you squat. Your level of development says that you’ve probably got plenty of natural gains that could come easily from a good program and eating more.

Search “squats and milk.” After you’ve gained fifty lean pounds I’m sure plenty of people would be happy to critique a good cycle for you.

Please don’t take this as an insult, but really, if someone benches more than they squat, and they only bench 210, are they ready for AAS or prohormones?

[quote]Westclock wrote:
Deadlifts, squats, rows, its not just the “same old same old” thing people tell you, dont think your the exception.

You have to do real lifts and you have to eat.[/quote]

Friend, even if you don’t listen to me, listen to him. He has more knowledge in this than I can even hope to claim.

[quote]azzasoccercoach wrote:
am not going to lie haha…my max sqaut is lower than my max bench…iv always focused on upper…i will be including leg work in next cycle…

iv been doing protein and creatine for over 2 years…then tried with anabol max then halodrol liguigels…

been looking at a few,

worked up this cycle…
load up on milk thistle
cycle support
hemadrol/superdrol/halodrol50/methyl1d??
liver detox and regen.
then reversitol

what would u go with? would this be enough?[/quote]

I understand the temptation to get a little chemical assistance.

PH’s are going to be a waste right now, you might get 5 pounds out of them, but since your training and diet are kinda lackluster, even if you ran them perfectly you’d lose most of what you had in 3 weeks after you got off them.

Believe me theres nothing worse mentally than losing your gains.

Your so light for your height that I really do think you could make 5-10 pounds easily with some work in your diet and training.

And youd keep those 10 pounds, 100%.

Look at it this way, if you want to use PH’s in the future and actually keep your gains then your going to have to get your diet and program right EVENTUALLY.

Why not do it now when you could easily see another 15-20 natural pounds of muscle without too much difficulty.

Then hit the PH’s in the future when your diet is great, your training is on point, and you have a solid base.

Your gains will be explosive. Easily 15 pounds, and youll keep those gains too.

If you do it now your gains are going to be kinda mediocre, you cant grow without the whole package.

When you do start using PH’s you need to stay away from superdrol and others that are very strong.

You dont need them yet, youll make the same gains on weaker, safer PH’s.

The longer you take drugs the more you need, eventually you need strong compounds to get similar effects.

Start with something like RPN havoc, run tamoxifen as a PCT, and run milk thristle and other cycle support throughout.

Hdrol is quite mild as well and is good for a first cycle.

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do you really think the halo liquid gels did/do anything?

[quote]azzasoccercoach wrote:
am not going to lie haha…my max sqaut is lower than my max bench…iv always focused on upper…i will be including leg work in next cycle…

iv been doing protein and creatine for over 2 years…then tried with anabol max then halodrol liguigels…

been looking at a few,

worked up this cycle…
load up on milk thistle
cycle support
hemadrol/superdrol/halodrol50/methyl1d??
liver detox and regen.
then reversitol

what would u go with? would this be enough?[/quote]

I would go with real steroids and stop wasting time with fake stuff. thats going to do not much more than kill your liver.

oh but thats what the all powerful milk thistle is for right?

dude your squat is lower than your bench so tha tshows you are new to training
go learn how to lift first and leave this stuff to people that know better.