New Business Failures

This is a good point. As I’ve said to other on here, I would be open to a very limited and highly controlled form of universal coverage for situations like his. There really is no reason for the wealthiest nation on the planet not to provide a basic level of coverage. HOWEVER, the government is already overextended and quickly going bankrupt. Modeling ourselves after nations with a debt to GDP ratio of 170%+ is ludicrous and I won’t support it, ever.

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Yup, agreed. You know, I don’t know how well the government does things in the US. Let’s say it was my part of the world, there’s a high probability that an official probe into the allocation and use of funds would reveal the existence of various inefficiencies that could justify channeling them into his area when rectified without even extending the budget. Unfortunately, the amount of red tape prevents this from ever happening.

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I have no doubt this is true for the US as well.

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Was this due to the private sector or the big evil government?

Where does the government get its money? Who do they take it from?

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The private sector. They’re the ones that paid the taxes you’re currently using to eat. Ya know, the money you didn’t have to earn

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This can’t be true. The private sector is king!

www.columbusceo.com/news/20160912/co-ops-sharing-for-success

Plenty of other articles and studies.

Oh no! Information that is in conflict of what I posted. Ask the population about their financial well-being and I’d bet they would tell you about the horrors which your post doesn’t elaborate on.

What has the U.S. done and what are they continuing to do to exacerbate any problems? But you could never give this any consideration as the U.S. is ALL good and is not in the service of the powerful and elite.

Umbilical cord stem cells are being kept from the market by pharma and their lackeys in the FDA and Congress so that profits can be kept up as competition is squashed. This ought to be against the law if it isn’t already. Every CEO and every board member along with the government officials that are complicit in this ought to be brought up for prosecution and thrown in a cage.

When your freedom of choice is subverted by anyone that person or organization ought to be held accountable. It is done for profits. Imagine the deaths from opioid overdoses if pharma would have won it’s lobbying efforts to keep cannabis from the market. Human lives don’t matter when there is money to be made. Absolutely disgusting

But I’m sure this isn’t true as the free-market would never allow this to happen. The free-market is nothing but a pure fantasy.

No. Because they can’t. If they could then I’m sure they would. The finance industry is stopping me as they are allowed to hold me accountable for having a disease. Does it matter that my credit score was north of 760 on all bureaus before my disease? No, what matters is the here and now. And if you have a disease that prevents you from working then too bad for you. Fuck off! What a terrible system we have here. So much injustice.

To bad for me that I know from personal experience.

So this makes it okay?

What was the concentration of power on the 1940’s vs. 2018? Were the violations similar?

Who bores the cost of corporate violations if the corporations are not caught?

On manufacturing. No. Does the shipping jobs overseas for cheaper labor a factor in this?

The success of Co-ops say otherwise.

Why in God’s name would your credit score matter when you’re asking a company to loan you money (money you clearly won’t be able to pay back) to fail at fixing an unfixable disease?

The shit?

How do you keep saying this. You don’t even support co ops.

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I used to get down on some specific posters for arguing from the class room with men that have been on the front lines.

You aren’t even in that category of special. You’re arguing with people who have been there and done that from what you read in comic books.

You’re a special kind of special.

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Propaganda is overwhelmingly coming from the right. They need to fool people into believing that their way is good for all. Nothing more than trying to intellectually justify greed.

Who is bought and paid for by the elite.

As long as money can be made from them it’s honorable? Millions of dollars are spent on advertising campaigns and food science. Do you think they do that for the fun of it or do you think they do it for a return on investment?

And I had 1 friend and acquaintance that prevented that from happening until I was finally approved for disability by the big, bad evil government

And I’m not saying that there aren’t people out there that don’t have it worse but when you are threatened with homelessness and starvation with the very real thought of dying it makes you become very desperate. Especially through no fault of your own. And you’re not allowed to get better in the states.

I have emailed both of my senators(Florida-Nelson, Rubio) who didn’t bother to answer my question. I guess because I haven’t donated tens of thousands to millions of dollars to their campaigns, my question wasn’t worth an answer. They are nothing more than corporate shills. My Congressman didn’t even bother to email back. The vast majority of people on the forums I belong to agree with me. The MS Society won’t help at all unless you’re currently taking 1 of the garbage pharmaceuticals. They are nothing more than a front group for pharma.

Do you think they’d knowingly vote for someone who is in the back pocket of the ultra-wealthy, who is looking to send your job overseas so they can make more when they don’t need it?

And you seriously underestimate what the ultra-wealthy will do to make sure that they gain more money and power.

People and organizations who do things for money first above all are more likely to spew propaganda.

Take a look at the new Constitution that was to be implemented in Venezuela following a coup. The first article talked about privatizing the oil. Hmmmmm… I wonder why?

The success of Co-Ops say otherwise.

If it does happen, corporations will most likely go the way of the Dodo bird OR their influence and power will be greatly diminished.

tried to link me to a dead communist dictator.

Is this what Sanders actually said or what the Super-Pac interpreted, said?

Not according to Abbey Martin who has been physically there.

An interview with her by you guessed it, The Real News. A propaganda organization that doesn’t take corporate funding or advertising dollars so it’s got to be fake news.

Government intervention is designed primarily squash competition from competitors.

The increase in productivity does not equal to higher pay scale for workers, it only equates to larger payouts for those who don’t need it.

And the “free-market” usually results in cartels or monopolies.

What do you think this proves exactly? It certainly doesn’t support the notion that the middle class is “hollowing out”. If anything, it support the opposite, …

You do also realize like 17% of workers work for the public sector, right? So, why aren’t they moving up the “intergenerational mobility” ladder?

Jeepers, man. This isn’t complicated. The percentage of businesses run as a co-op is small compared to C corps, LLC, partnerships, sole-ownership, etc… It’s a smaller percentage of total business organization. If or as this type of organization increases, you will see more co-ops fail because a lot of businesses fail regardless of their org structure.

Nice conjecture.

Scroll up. Asked and answered.

Silly hyperbole.

How will umbilical cord stem cells make you better?

:+1:

My freedom of choice is subverted when I pay taxes to pay for your care, how is that fair to me and my family?

Silly hyperbole talking point that has literally nothing to do with the conversation we were having.

Silly hyperbole talking point

Great, an answer, finally. So the FDA and Pharm aren’t keeping you from getting “better” at all.

How so?

I assume you want to take a personal loan to pay for your trip to Panama, correct? Who is going to pay for that trip/loan?

There are like 500 government programs already in place to help you.

Silly hyperbole.

As far as I’m concerned it does. It’s certainly not a significant enough problem to get so twisted up about.

Just answer the fucking question, good lord…

Of course, it does. Good grief.

silliness.

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The Real News, Jesus…

Prove increases in productivity are tied to worker performance.

Maybe in theory, but not in any “free-market” economy that exists today.

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Perhaps it’s like this in the US. I won’t pretend to know since I don’t live there.

But over HERE, it comes from the LEFT.

The top brass in the government in a Big Government country IS THE ELITE. Come on, this isn’t rocket science, man. You don’t just get away with 14 billion dollars of The People’s tax dollars in a Swiss bank account. How much did the Clintons allegedly take from corporations? They’re noobs.

Are they starving or eating too much, then?

My relative’s son is a SCHIZOPHRENIC and he can’t even qualify for disability in China. Your current amount of welfare far exceeds that of a country that stll calls itself socialist. When people in my part of the world hear of the amount of welfare you have, they will give you a look of disbelief.

In a Big Government country, EVERYBODY KNOWS. It is an open secret because they have the balls to not even keep it discrete when they have so much power.

If the pay is not sustainable, the company will simply go bankrupt. And it should. That’s market forces working. Or they will go into debt and money will have to be taken from elsewhere to plug the hole. Which will eventually lead to shit you can’t crawl out of. Which is why so many government companies in China went bankrupt and they had to start relying on the private sector. If national products cannot be competitive in international trade, the country goes bankrupt unless it is a self-sustaining economy.

No I don’t. I just know they don’t have the police, military and the courts at their disposal.

No, people and organizations spreading this kind of propaganda normally:

  1. Do not have facts on their side.

  2. Do not have the skills to create anything of actual value and must resort to taking what others have created by appealing to emotion since facts are not on their side. Creating heroes and villians and riling The People watching from their Iphones and plasma screens up into a revolutionary fervor.

  3. Are jealous of the success of other whom they deem to be of lower intellect than themselves.

Like socialists, politicians and some academics(most of whom will be the ones eventually sent to reeducation camps).

No, this is absolutely wrong.

Like I said, you are free to look it up using sources you deem to be legit. You don’t have to take my word for it. I doubt you will be able to find anything contradicting this, though.

First, I quoted the text you replied to from the LINK YOU POSTED.

YOU. YOUR LINK.

If you do not think it is legit WHY DID YOU POST THE LINK TO SUPPORT YOUR CASE just because the first part of it supported your argument and then try to debunk the rest of it with another source? Are you really confident of the validity of your sources?

Second, what does this prove? I can take you to a developed part of any 3rd world country in Asia and you will go home and tell all your friends, “Wow! Vietnam is more modern than the US! Their standard of living is amazing!”.

Yes, get them the fuck out of the market.

But you aren’t getting the point.

Let’s assume this is true. Then it would justify increasing welfare. Get it?

But you would have to prove it. Repeating slogans and talking points isn’t proving anything.

Build a case and take them out with existing anti-trust legislation. No one is opposed to this.

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How about pooling resources(yeah like a co-op) and creating awareness through social media and such? Things like crowdfunding campaigns(which also has the effect of creating awareness) and contacting and tie-ups with social enterprises, all made possible by capitalism by the way, are avenues that can be explored for funds. Complaining and putting your hope in a savior to solve all your problems is not the way to do things.

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And the overwhelming majority of people work for the private sector. So if Capitalism is so good, why aren’t they experiencing the phenomenon of upward mobility to the degree it used to happen?

Yes, I know. So it is the amount of businesses that explains failure rate? So if private business were to scale down they would reach the level of success as Co-Ops?

Lazy people.

Don’t want to give anything up? Then consider working a side gig. Bankrate reports that of the 44 million Americans who currently have some sort of side hustle, 36% manage to bring in an extra $500 a month or more as a result.

So people’s negative feelings and stress are just conjecture?

Truth hurts. Doesn’t it?

They are more plentiful and effective than people’s own stem cells. The older you get the quality and quantity of your stem cells recede. But this is not an option in this country as the pharma industry will lose money. And after all that is what is important. Viva la Capitalism. It’s the best system ever.

And so is mine, when I’m forced to pay for military expenses that will kill innocents. Is that comparable to your dilemma?

Of course it is because it negates your pathetic ideology.

Yes, they are by not allowing this to be a choice of treatment. All in the name of profits. Nice system. Make people suffer so you can make more money. And the finance industry plays it’s role by holding you accountable for having a disease that prevents you from working. They blocj your access to capital so you can’t even subvert the lousy “healthcare” system we have in this country. Like I’ve said before, when Medicare-For-All comes to fruition I hope the pharma industry is next in the cross hairs.

They’ve destroyed my credit. They’ve held me accountable for something that IS NOT my fault. If the credit card industry can’t make money if a few of their clients become disabled, they need to get the hell out of the business because they don’t know what the fuck they are doing.

I could pay it back when I get better. I thought you’d be down with that as I could get off of disability and take away less tax dollars.

Is it hyperbole if it’s the truth?

Does this happen in other modern countries? I’m sure if this happened to you, you’d feel the same way.

Chevron is also responsible for the violent repression of peaceful opposition to oil extraction. In Nigeria, Chevron has hired private military personnel to open fire on peaceful protestors who oppose oil extraction in the Niger Delta.

So innocents aren’t harmed at all?

Yeah, like Disability. I have money to pay rent and feed myself but NO hope for the future. Great huh?

Are these widely available in the U.S. for treatment of chronic/degenerative disease?

Yes, no corporate or advertising dollars accepted. Gosh, how awful.