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Need Real TRT Doc... PLEASE HELP


#1

I need to go on TRT.

I need to know a way to find a doc that will get my numbers up to an IDEAL number (ideally 1500) and not to some middling bullshit number like 600. Im 40, Ive JUST gotten consent to get the program started (though I have needed it for over 5 years), and Im stuck in pennsylvania where EVERYTHING is backwards as hell. Im thinking about flying all over the country or whatever to find a doc that would actually align my numbers with ... why do I want to go through all of this just to be medeoker, when optimal is just doing more of the same thing? The mentality is fucktarded IMO especially when dealing with issues like my health, productivity, and mental state.

$$$:
Im going to have to do this mess out of my own pocket. I have Medicaid, and my docs are Bullshitting. At very least the ones that they want me to go to. I would explain the whole process but its just a lot of stalling tactics to squeeze out fees, like not taking all of the tests that they need in the same Blood Panel/Draw, etc. Each visit = +$, dontcha know. All the while I feel like shit every day they milk the system.

HGH/IGF:
I need advice on how to go about dealing with this aspect. They want to charge MAD extra for this aspect and I dont know what Im doing. I will go the underground route if needed but I really know fuckall about it. I just know that I cant affoard thousands/month for a couple of shots. And not for nothing that shit sounds like a Scam. I honestly will move to China if that is where I can get the shit legally and affoardably and just feel better every day. Il take all helpful input/education offered, Im SICK AND TIRED of feling like this, and I can finally do something about it.

Ideal/Optimum Hormone levels:
Does anyone have links to articles where OPTIMUM hormone levels are talked about?
It seems we live in this bullshitopia where people like to talk about the AVERAGE numbers of the AVERAGE guys that get tested - and let us not forget that most people dont get tested unless there is a problem. So bringing my numbers up to an unhealthy average is not something Im terribly interested in. at all. (well my current number is 201 so ... well you get my meaning)

Right now my Halfassed plan is to go see this doctor in California after getting started off by a nurse Practitioner in PA. my appt with her is on 3/10. I figure she will get me up to like 6-700 ng/dl and then the other guy will take me the rest of the way. This plan is also quite likely to Bankrupt me.

I have a secondary plan of a dr in Jersey, but SHE would like me to produce some more research on the idea that my Ideal numbers are not going to kill me/give me cancer, lahblahblah.

Any and all help greatly appreciated, but if you're not trying to help, please just save your breath.

No, I have never before done Steroids, so please do not assume that I know anything, Im totally new to this.

If there is something that I need to know that is wrong for the Boards, please feel free to PM me. I am VERY libertarian in my Vioews, and frankly don't care if something is Legal in America. If I have to Travel or even RELOCATE I absolutely will.

Insurance situation: I have Midicai currently and in 2 years will have medicare.


#2

[quote]Djimbe wrote:
I need to go on TRT.

I need to know a way to find a doc that will get my numbers up to an IDEAL number (ideally 1500) and not to some middling bullshit number like 600. [/quote]

1500 ng/dl is a supraphysiological number. 600 is not a bullshit number considering it’s mid-normal and many men at that value feel fine, including myself. And just because someone tests mid normal at a given dose, doesn’t mean they won’t test high normal at another time. Same goes for eugonadal, normal functioning men.

Consent for what and from who?

My doc is location in Long Island, NY, hours from PA, but has helped everyone I sent him, including members of this board. He is not a BS artist and goes by both numbers and sense of well being and symptoms.

I work in healthcare myself and notice first hand and inside the scams of our system. It will not be cheap to see a doctor who knows what he is doing with TRT and fertility.

[quote]

HGH/IGF:
I need advice on how to go about dealing with this aspect. They want to charge MAD extra for this aspect and I dont know what Im doing. I will go the underground route if needed but I really know fuckall about it. I just know that I cant affoard thousands/month for a couple of shots. And not for nothing that shit sounds like a Scam. I honestly will move to China if that is where I can get the shit legally and affoardably and just feel better every day. Il take all helpful input/education offered, Im SICK AND TIRED of feling like this, and I can finally do something about it. [/quote]

Are you even HGH deficient?!

[quote]
Ideal/Optimum Hormone levels:
Does anyone have links to articles where OPTIMUM hormone levels are talked about?
It seems we live in this bullshitopia where people like to talk about the AVERAGE numbers of the AVERAGE guys that get tested - and let us not forget that most people dont get tested unless there is a problem. So bringing my numbers up to an unhealthy average is not something Im terribly interested in. at all. (well my current number is 201 so … well you get my meaning) [/quote]

A good doctor will not just go by numbers. He will go by sense of well being, symptoms, and numbers. My doc doesn’t like seeing anyone below 400 and usually brings those who complain to a high normal number or changes the route (gels or shots) depending on what shows to work.

[quote]
Right now my Halfassed plan is to go see this doctor in California after getting started off by a nurse Practitioner in PA. my appt with her is on 3/10. I figure she will get me up to like 6-700 ng/dl and then the other guy will take me the rest of the way. This plan is also quite likely to Bankrupt me. [/quote]

You don’t have to go that damn far. NYC and LI have some GREAT doctors.

[quote]
I have a secondary plan of a dr in Jersey, but SHE would like me to produce some more research on the idea that my Ideal numbers are not going to kill me/give me cancer, lahblahblah. [/quote]

Don’t waste your freaking time and go to someone who doesn’t request or say dumb or irrelevant shit.

[quote]
Any and all help greatly appreciated, but if you’re not trying to help, please just save your breath.[/quote]

I am here to help. Before starting TRT thirteen years ago, I walked around for a year and a half completely shot at levels of 240 to 300. I was a mess!

[quote]
No, I have never before done Steroids, so please do not assume that I know anything, Im totally new to this.[/quote]

“Doing roids” is not TRT.

[quote]

If there is something that I need to know that is wrong for the Boards, please feel free to PM me. I am VERY libertarian in my Vioews, and frankly don’t care if something is Legal in America. If I have to Travel or even RELOCATE I absolutely will.

Insurance situation: I have Midicai currently and in 2 years will have medicare.[/quote]

Breaking the law is not necessary to get adequate TRT… once you find the right doc that is!


#3

There are 7 stickies if you want to know what we do here.

Chill out!


#4

Brickhead,

Which doctor do you use on Long Island? I have tried androgel, axiron, and shots and finally went back to androgel for the ease. I have been on HRT for about 2 1/2 years now and my numbers are still only in the high 200’s and my doctor is pleased with that. I think they should be higher.

My doc is very conservative and feels that if I am within the normal range (248-900) then I am good. I still suffer from symptoms though. The only reason I stopped shots is because I would get cysts on my chest, face and neck. I am thinking of giving another doctor a shot to see what they think. Also, does your doctor take medical insurance? Thanks.


#5

Brett Mellinger in Garden City, right near Roosevelt Field Mall. He’s great!