Need Intellectual Opinions (Cycle)

Beyond being extremely dismissive of two of the more experienced and generous posters here, you think you have a clue but you truly don’t.

I venture to say you have picked and chosen a few things here and there to throw together an odd cycle for a first time cycle. Your body will be reacting very strongly to the large injections. The higher the dose and multiple compounds make it hard figure out which is causing a side effect.

Just a few things.

You really don’t understand PCT and cycle support from what you have planned.

You are going to be pinning a shitload and prop which generally has the most PIP of any injectable. I expect you will be walking like Quasimodo within the first week.

Within a couple of nights you are going to be awake at three in the a.m. sweating like a pig and wondering how you messed up.

Your system may recover normal function, but you are playing the lottery when there are plenty of well documented protocols for PCT. Just can’t stand the thought of HCG?

Your attitude sucks. You may do this cycle and you may stick with lifting for a while, but you will fail in life with your attitude. I have fired more guys with your attitude than you will hold jobs in your lifetime.

Hey Cal, are you sure you meant me(Beyond Beyond, not the original poster Irun 123)?

[quote]GoCal wrote:
Beyond being extremely dismissive of two of the more experienced and generous posters here, you think you have a clue but you truly don’t.

I venture to say you have picked and chosen a few things here and there to throw together an odd cycle for a first time cycle. Your body will be reacting very strongly to the large injections. The higher the dose and multiple compounds make it hard figure out which is causing a side effect.

Just a few things.

You really don’t understand PCT and cycle support from what you have planned.

You are going to be pinning a shitload and prop which generally has the most PIP of any injectable. I expect you will be walking like Quasimodo within the first week.

Within a couple of nights you are going to be awake at three in the a.m. sweating like a pig and wondering how you messed up.

Your system may recover normal function, but you are playing the lottery when there are plenty of well documented protocols for PCT. Just can’t stand the thought of HCG?

Your attitude sucks. You may do this cycle and you may stick with lifting for a while, but you will fail in life with your attitude. I have fired more guys with your attitude than you will hold jobs in your lifetime.
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Or everything could go as planned and I’m 20lbs heavier and my PR’s are sky high…

1st. Don’t see how my cycle is odd. It’s just TEST DBOL T3 with DBOL and T3 added later in the cycle.

2nd. I’m dosing 80mg of Prop ED. Tapering up to 1.19g if I feel necessary.

3rd. my pct plan came from Prisoner and I’m sure he is more knowledgeable on this PCT Protocol than you are…

4th. My cycle support is on point in my opinion given I didn’t even list my support supps besides Adex.

5th. I didn’t ask, and do not care who you have fired in your lifetime…Dick…

P.S. Anyways thanks for your input… (:

[quote]Beyond Beyond wrote:
Not the kind of cycle recommend for a beginner, as it is too much too soon.
You don’t know how your body will react to your gear. Post injection pain( could be next to nothing, or it could be crippling)
ED injections you are going to need a lot of goods sites to rotate. Most beginners start with glutes and even if they get some pip it still shouldn’t effect your ability to do a workout. Some people find quads and delts incredibly painful and can’t train for several days until the pain subsides. All your muscles are virgin, which means its likely to be unpleasant.
Because most gear comes from underground labs, there can be a lot of variability between one vial and the next. First bottle might give you some pain, the next one might be twice as bad, despite the fact its supposed to be the same dose, ingredients and formula.
It can take time to dial in the right amount of AI, not enough and you get gyno symptoms, if you keep on increasing the amount, you can get low E, achy joints muscles and lethargy. It takes time for the increase/decrease to take effect(sometimes a week).

I also very much doubt any individual who does a cycle of anabolics and finds it even barely tolerable, won’t want to try another cycle as soon as is humanly possible.

Every one is different it might all go perfectly smooth, but I think that is a lot less likely and that’s why a more moderate approach is recommended for beginners.

If you start to develop other negative side effects its easier to deal with and make changes if the dose is lower, and you are taking fewer products at the same time.[/quote]

Completly understand your concerns and have given them thought. Thanks for your intellectual input.

[quote]Irun123 wrote:

[quote]GoCal wrote:
Beyond being extremely dismissive of two of the more experienced and generous posters here, you think you have a clue but you truly don’t.

I venture to say you have picked and chosen a few things here and there to throw together an odd cycle for a first time cycle. Your body will be reacting very strongly to the large injections. The higher the dose and multiple compounds make it hard figure out which is causing a side effect.

Just a few things.

You really don’t understand PCT and cycle support from what you have planned.

You are going to be pinning a shitload and prop which generally has the most PIP of any injectable. I expect you will be walking like Quasimodo within the first week.

Within a couple of nights you are going to be awake at three in the a.m. sweating like a pig and wondering how you messed up.

Your system may recover normal function, but you are playing the lottery when there are plenty of well documented protocols for PCT. Just can’t stand the thought of HCG?

Your attitude sucks. You may do this cycle and you may stick with lifting for a while, but you will fail in life with your attitude. I have fired more guys with your attitude than you will hold jobs in your lifetime.
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Or everything could go as planned and I’m 20lbs heavier and my PR’s are sky high…

1st. Don’t see how my cycle is odd. It’s just TEST DBOL T3 with DBOL and T3 added later in the cycle.

2nd. I’m dosing 80mg of Prop ED. Tapering up to 1.19g if I feel necessary.

3rd. my pct plan came from Prisoner and I’m sure he is more knowledgeable on this PCT Protocol than you are…

4th. My cycle support is on point in my opinion given I didn’t even list my support supps besides Adex.

5th. I didn’t ask, and do not care who you have fired in your lifetime…Dick…

P.S. Anyways thanks for your input… (:
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Nah, not worth it. Best of times.

[quote]Beyond Beyond wrote:
Hey Cal, are you sure you meant me(Beyond Beyond, not the original poster Irun 123)?[/quote]

No, he’s not referring to you.

@OP

How old are you?

Anyone else picturing the Monopoly man?

This is fucking stupid!

OP, you ask for comments and help then totally disregard while acting like a douche in the process. Do that “cycle” and fuck your shit all up. Be the stereotype!

Just go away.

S/F

Al

A few things…

You’ve asked for input in a couple posts, but you’ve also indicated that you don’t intend to change anything. That confuses me a bit. I’m not really sure what you’re looking for in terms of advice.

I’d be willing to bet that most people here take issue with your pct plan. Cyco provided you with a quality thread he created detailing what probably should be done for pct. It’s backed by research, and the science indicates his suggestions are better than the taper method. I know Prisoner pretty much never posts here anymore…and he also blasts and cruises. If you intend to blast and cruise, then do whatever you want, but if you would like to achieve a full HTPA recovery, I would consider a different approach.

As far as the dose goes, I would personally use less than what you’ve proposed here, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I ran Test E @750/week for my first cycle, and saw good results. That’s not far off from a gram.

I personally wouldn’t consider pinning everyday for my first cycle. That’s a lot, man. I don’t even like pinning twice a week. After you’ve been doing it for awhile, it’s not so fun. Hopefully you’re up for it mentally. If I were you, I would consider maybe having a vial of Test C or E on hand, in case you get a few weeks into this and decide that pinning everyday is not for you. Again, just something to think about.

You’ve been a bit vague about your goals with this cycle, other than suggesting that strength-to-bodyweight is important to you. I guess it doesn’t matter much, since this sort of cycle is well suited for both aesthetic enhancement and strength. But we like to know people’s goals on here :slight_smile: . And it would be nice of you to provide your actual starting stats, or a picture. There was no need to get so defensive about your starting point. We all start somewhere. But if you end up with questions in the middle of this cycle, this information may become relevant.

Anyway, I think I covered everything I meant to. Best of luck.

First & last…yea right…once you feel what its like to be superman being clark kent just not the same anymore.

My buddys doing his first cycle…Id say keep it simple so you dont have drama.

500mg test cyp or eth ÷ 2 shots 250 mon & thurs
anastrozole. 5 mon & thurs (increase if needed)
Hcg .25units mon & thurs (add more if nuts not full)
12 weeks
then do pct unless cruising
simple ez allmost fuck up free
eat 20x bw / 2g per lb protien
lift with a good plan for size/strength

After you put on 20lbs and fuck like a pornstar for 12 weeks lets see if there might be a 2nd :wink:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
A few things…

You’ve asked for input in a couple posts, but you’ve also indicated that you don’t intend to change anything. That confuses me a bit. I’m not really sure what you’re looking for in terms of advice.

I’d be willing to bet that most people here take issue with your pct plan. Cyco provided you with a quality thread he created detailing what probably should be done for pct. It’s backed by research, and the science indicates his suggestions are better than the taper method. I know Prisoner pretty much never posts here anymore…and he also blasts and cruises. If you intend to blast and cruise, then do whatever you want, but if you would like to achieve a full HTPA recovery, I would consider a different approach.

As far as the dose goes, I would personally use less than what you’ve proposed here, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I ran Test E @750/week for my first cycle, and saw good results. That’s not far off from a gram.

I personally wouldn’t consider pinning everyday for my first cycle. That’s a lot, man. I don’t even like pinning twice a week. After you’ve been doing it for awhile, it’s not so fun. Hopefully you’re up for it mentally. If I were you, I would consider maybe having a vial of Test C or E on hand, in case you get a few weeks into this and decide that pinning everyday is not for you. Again, just something to think about.

You’ve been a bit vague about your goals with this cycle, other than suggesting that strength-to-bodyweight is important to you. I guess it doesn’t matter much, since this sort of cycle is well suited for both aesthetic enhancement and strength. But we like to know people’s goals on here :slight_smile: . And it would be nice of you to provide your actual starting stats, or a picture. There was no need to get so defensive about your starting point. We all start somewhere. But if you end up with questions in the middle of this cycle, this information may become relevant.

Anyway, I think I covered everything I meant to. Best of luck.[/quote]

ya know, i wish P22 would stop by again sometime…

i thought he had some interesting ideas about stuff, but i really don’t get why the “stasis taper” was considered a good idea.

for those curious, it’s basically a taper from a high level down to a level closer to what your body normally produces (and i’m obviously paraphrasing here). except, it doesn’t stimulate production, at all. the taper simply presumes that your natural production will increase due to coming off a higher dose… basically, it “allows” your body to start producing again, if it so desires…

adding in an AI or SERM (or both) would make it more effective, but i guess it would also make that pretty pointless, too.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

the test taper sucks. i seriously have no idea why anyone thinks that works, if they actually understand how the HPTA works…

Going with this route for sure. Exactly what I needed to see. Thank your for your intelligence on this subject.

[quote]Irun123 wrote:

This is my first and last cycle…

I have done plenty of research on the National Center for Biotechnology Information and Forums.

Here is my proposed cycle. I feel this may be pushing the limits, but IMHO this does not seem too high. You do not know until you try. And all precautions will be taken, so I feel comfortable.

Day 1-52 170 mg /day Test Prop 1190mg total (996.334 mg actual Testosterone)

Day 1-56 .5mg or 1 Adex(???mini 3-4 day taper off or No???) wouldn’t hurt I would think.

Day 8-32 40mg DBol tablets( I am starting on day 8, so I can see how the Test Prop goes)

Day 28-49 T3 ramped up E3D starting from 25mcg and increasing by 25mcg to 100mcg then tapering off

                PCT: Testosterone Prop &  Masteron Prop Taper Method (ref. Prisoner#22 on this)

PCT Week 1-4

50 mg Test prop/ Masteron Prop 50 mg (PER WEEK)

PCT Week 5-10

80/60/50/40/30/20 Tapering Test and Mast (PER WEEK)

Questions, Comments, Concerns, ?
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NO LONGER CONSIDER THIS

NEW CYCLE PROPOSAL

Hey Irun, Okay, let us know how you are going during the cycle.
Also try 0.25 mg ED for the Arimidex, try that for a couple of weeks as it takes time to build up in your system. If you start or keep getting itchy nips increase the dose, 0.25mg, then 0.5mg the next then repeat, try that for a week before increasing to 0.5mg ed.

The advice from the vets here can seem harsh, but these guys have real experience, not just theories on paper and its worth listening to. They generally want the best for any newbie, but just get sick of answering the same questions all the time, hence the stickies.
When it comes down to it, if your gear is good, you train hard and eat properly you are going to see lots of improvements. Respond to what your body tells you, and ask for more advice if you need it.

holy cluster fuck

This is one of the dumbest ops I’ve read in a while.

Well done OP.

[quote]Irun123 wrote:

I’ve decided to taper up to 1.19 grams+ starting from 560mg per week of TEST PROP based solely on my own input.

Increases will take place possibly every 48th, 72nd, 96th or 168th hour of the injection start week

If any serious sides occur I will re plan and lower the dosage.

For many reasons other than 560mg being a so called “Safe Dose” this is my newly proposed cycle.

Nothing else in my cycle will change…

P.S. 1g starts are done more than most people know…it’s just not posted on the Internet every time it is done…

Questions, Comments, or Concerns…

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i think your thinking too much it hurts my brain just stick to something simple test prop 100 mgs a day thats more then enough for 8 weeks and a clomid pct half a tab a day for 40 days :smiley:

Do whatever you want. You don’t want to listen to advice when you screw up make sure you post under another username so you get some help.

[quote]nooberific wrote:
Do whatever you want. You don’t want to listen to advice when you screw up make sure you post under another username so you get some help.[/quote]

Fuck this. I can’t believe you guys are feeding this troll. Admin needs to lock this thread and let it die.