Need help with Mag-10 cycle

Bigger Stronger Leaner Competitive Bodybuilding
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Yes, it’s me. What of it? :wink:

Yes, I actually ordered the Biotest stuff.

BUT, I’m lost with what my routine should look like! I need your help. Yes, you heard me right :slight_smile:

Here’s what I have so far:

On cycle

15x5 501 tempo

Go as heavy as possible for first 5 sets with 180s rest, then drop weight and go with 60s rest

Day 1

AM workout:
Full back squats/calve raises (5x3)

PM workout:
Snatch-grip deadlifts/calve raises
Full back squats

(3 scoops surge, 3 protein shakes)

Day 2

AM workout:
Varied-grip chins (5x5)
Zottman curls (5x3)

PM workout:
Cleans (sets of 3)
Varied-grip chins (assist up, heavy eccentric)
Zottman curls

Cheat curls/heavy eccentric 3x3

(2 scoops surge, 3 protein shakes)

Day 3

AM workout:
Abs

PM workout:
Abs
(2 scoop surge, 3 protein shakes)

Day 4

AM workout:
Bench (5x5)
Dips (5x5)

PM workout:
Bench
Full dips (assited up, heavy eccentric)

Heavy eccentric flies 3x3 (press up, fly down)
Heavy eccentric flies for right arm (2x3)

(2 scoops surge, 3 protein shakes)

Day 5

AM workout:
Varied-grip chins (5x5)

PM workout:
Deadlift 5x5 (0.6 1RM)

(1 scoop surge, 2 protein shake)

Day 6

AM workout:
Explosive bench (5x3)

PM workout:
Jump squats (5x3) (0.6 1RM)

(2 scoop surge, 2 protein shakes)

Day 7

AM workout:
Push press (5x3)

PM workout:
Push press (for heavy eccentric)
Abs
(1 scoop Surge 2 protein shake)

Off cycle

10x5 301 tempo

Go as heavy as possible for first 5 sets with 180s rest, then drop weight and go with 60s rest

Day 1

Cleans (explosive tempo and sets of 3)
Bench

(2 scoops surge, 3 protein shakes)

Day 2

Push press (for heavy eccentric)

(1 scoop surge, 1 protein shake)

Day 3

Varied-grip chins (assist up, heavy eccentric)
Zottman curls

(1 scoop surge, 1 protein shake)

Day 4

Full back squats/calve raises

(2 scoops surge, 3 protein shakes)

Day 5

Full dips (assited up, heavy eccentric)

(1 scoop surge, 1 protein shake)

Day 6

Abs

Day 7

off

That would be for the first month, and the second month I would change things up, but I need to figure this out first!

Too much volume in the on-cylce? Keep in mind I’m 18, and I will get lots of sleep (9 to 11 per night).

Too little volume on the off-cycle? Too many days off? You’re supposed to grow on the off days, so I figure that lifting twice a week on the off-cycle would be a good idea, but am I wrong?

A few notes:

-My back handles volume well

-I don’t seem to respond well to high reps (10 or so)

-I have lots of bicep and chest work in there because those parts are lacking

-I have extra eccentric flies for the right arm because I need to rebuild my pectoral since I tore it. At least I got a medal out of the tear :slight_smile:

I will do some short cardio before and after lifting, for about 10-15 mins. I figure this caloric expenditure can easily be made up with eating more, since it’s minimal.

I think that’s it, but I’m sure I forgot something.

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Oops!

I gave a different off-cycle schedule than I meant to.

There’s the one I gave, and the other one is putting all those lifts into just two days, and resting on all the other days. Which is better? Or what would be best?

Thanks,
Neil

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You need to read.

I can’t believe you actually posting this.

You must like getting abused.

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Try the search engine and you should come up with some pretty detailed info…

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Yeah, Neil, hate to sound like a dick after all the effort you put into typing all of that, but I’d really recommend going to FAQ and, based on what your goals are, choose one of the oodles of routines and a diet/eating plan to match.

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A) I did read the articles.

B) I did search through a bit of posts.

C) The types of lifts in the articles are quite different from what I want to do, so that changes things, right? I’m no expert calculating isolation-type lifts to compound lifts in equivalent volume. That’s why I asked.

D) The biggest thing that I could see needing changed is having one extra rest day during the on-cycle.

E) If this was addressed in an aticle, I didn’t find it. Could you help me find the article?

F) That’s all for now.

G) Neil

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mamann,

I did look at the growth surge workouts, and I didn’t think they went with what I was trying to do. Too many isolation-type movements for my liking. I wanted a program centered mostly around big lifts and specifics to address what I feel are problem areas. Not to mention, isolation lifts just aren’t fun to me.

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You may not respond to high reps well because those do not induce newbie gains as well as lower rep training. You should read about periodization and plan to take advantage of high rep training to get your fibers better associated.

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Neil,

In looking back through all your posts, I failed to see where you specifically stated your goal. You mentioned that chest and biceps were in need of extra work, but are we talking size? Strength?

Are you looking for overall size?

Be a little more specific with your goals, and we can point you in the right direction.

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You are 18. Why the hell are you taking mag-10. You’re hormones are already raging in an anabolic way. Damn, you need to read.

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All respect, JWright, but being 18 is NOT equivalent to being on a light steroid cycle. There is something to be said about getting enough experience first so you can take full advantage of the supplement, but who can really blame the guy for wanting to make fast progress?

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There is something to be said about getting enough experience first so you can take full advantage of the supplement, but who can really blame the guy for wanting to make fast progress?

I can.

I know that the “legal age” for taking MAG-10 is 18. Okay. Fine. Please no one bring this very obvious point up. But here’s why Neil (and anyone else in his position) shouldn’t take it.

With all of one year of lifting, Neil doesn’t have much experience under his belt. Judging from the above routine, he’s not too sure about how to lift, either. Okay, fine. Everyone starts somewhere. But why on earth, given this stuation, should he want to take MAG-10? You can’t stay on forever, and if he hadn’t got the knowledge to keep the gains after he gets them, what’s the point? Furthermore, he could be on a decent program or a not-so decent program, but with MAG-10 he won’t be able to tell the difference. So he doesn’t learn anything.

Again.

Neil, for Christ’s sake, if you’re intent on doing MAG-10 no matter what, please just give the stated routine a shot before you decide that you don’t like it. You will make gains. Yes, you can modify one or two of the exercises without really hurting things, but do the routine basically as stated. Okay?

That’s IF you’re going to do the supp. Personally, having seen your pics, read your threads and so on, I think that you could do very well without it on - as others have said - many of the routines and diets already posted in the T-Mag archives. Try 5x5. Try GVT. Try one of Poliquin’s specialization routines if you’re trying to bring up a weak point. Eat enough protein. Use Surge. You’re young and relatively untrained. You’ll grow. I promise.

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chardawgsmart.

“If you think your boss is stupid, remember: you wouldn’t have a job if he was any smarter”

~ John Gotti

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Given the vast availability of professional routines here, I’m rather surprised you’d bother to build you own like this.

I’ve yet to do a T-Mag program that hasn’t imparted size and strength. Most of us borrow such routines verbatim, and then modify them as necessary in accordance with our experiences. Often to great success.

With training age, program selection and modification becomes more precise as you discover personal strengths and limitations.

My feelings on MAG-10:

Arnold at 16, sans creatine, prohormones, and steroids, was more impressive than nearly every T-Dawger I’ve seen.

If he can do it clean, certainly you and I can try.

DI

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My only point was that he could possibly damage his endocrine/hormonal system from being so young and taking steroids. Hell, he’s still developing, so unless there is a medical condition, there’s absolutely no need for mag-10.

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Jesus H. Christ, here we go again!!!

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Eric,

I’m looking for size in my biceps and chest as well as overall. Strength would be something nice to get during this phase, but I’m not worried about it right now. Once I get the muscle, I can get to some cool strength training to take advantage of the new mass.

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I ordered the Mag-10, so it’s too late to change my mind.

After the Mag-10 is about 10 weeks away, which is plenty of time for me to read and find out how to keep the gains.

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Also, I want to pack on a lot of muscle so I can cut the fat quickly afterwards. After all this fat-loss so far, I feel puny at 205.

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doesnt convention T-mag wisdom, and a lot of research say that if you wanted to cut fat, you would do it before you packed on mass? Your body preferentially loses fat to muscle at BF ranges around 12%, and your body preferentially puts on more muscle to fat around 6%. It is in one of the Appetite for Construction articles. Thats what I am trying to do.