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Need Advice, Son Taking Steroids

 I hate it that my first post has to be a call for advice, but I think this might be the best place to get an answer.  

I am NOT into serious lifting. I am 36 and I try to stay more or less healthy by running 1.5 miles 5x a week, and I do sets of ten with 180 bench and 90 curl. Just enough to maintain a normal shape.

My wife found out today that her 18 year old son bought a bunch of steroids on-line: a liquid called “Anadrol, Oxymethabol” and a pill called “D-Bol, methadrostenol”

What are they? I know I should research them myself, but under the circumstances, I don’t know if I have the luxury of time.

He has been on them for about 5 days and is starting to look bigger.

My question is, how much should I be worried? I read the FAQs here, and it seems that the danger is mostly related to his age, and the fact that he has no idea what he is doing, he’s just following what the website he bought them from says.

Basically, are there psychological changes that go along with the physical changes, and how much of the damage is permanent?

Keep in mind, he is not my biological son, and I am currently prohibited from taking any action with him. He is what they call a “strong willed child”, and I personally think the Ritilin they forced him to take has altered his view on drugs forever.

Any advice, comments, or even chastisements are welcome, if it helps me to help my wife deal with this!

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if you don’t already know this please ignore:
i dont know much about those specific steroids, but you can access that info easy.

In general though, steroids work by augmenting testosterone levels greatly. Unfortunately Testosterone also comes hand in hand with estrogen, so the benefits of a lot of Test, comes with the problems of a lot of Estrogen. This is why you usually couple roids with an anti-estrogen cycle.

Prolonged use of Steroids though, will tell your body to quit making its own test, and so, thats not much of a problem until you ABRUPTLY stop using roids. Once you abruptly stop using roids, without any other sort of cycle that helps this process, you’ve got shrunken testes. You can try to stimulate the testes by increasing LH levels, but i’ve read some conflicting info about that.

The deal is, i don’t see a point when you have to take a drug that requires fighting fire with fire.

i.e. you gotta bring in snakes to kill the mice, gorillas to kill the snakes, and annoying brit hunters to kill the gorillas- you’re always stuck with one form or another of something. Granted the bodies job to keep homeostasis , so prolonged states of a certain chemical without any sort of external stimulus will not be sustained.

I’m (once again) going to say that from the sound of things, you son doesn’t have the real thing. Could you tell us the name of the company of for confidentiality (sp?) pm me or even bush with the name and we’ll tell you if it’s real or the old bait and switch.

There’s one company in particular that does this and there was a write up about them awhile back. THey make bullshit like “Winny-V” “D-bol” and other similar products that use the slang names to pose as the real thing. Eitherway you know the deal with the boy and strong willed or not and whether you’re his dad or not (seems like you kinda are) you and your wife need to set him straight.

He’s real likely to shortchange his training career and end up with a number of mental and psyhsical sides that he could definetly do with out. AND if those are really what they’re supposed to be then he’s picked 2 of the more liver toxic and overall harsh compounds that one could use. Not like there would be an anabolic of choice for someone that age but if you HAD to choose anadrol and d-bol would NOT be it based on their sides.

Grumpy bob, Personally I beleive the best thing for you to do here is follow the tv commercial “Information is the anti-drug” Sit down with him, and your wife, with the information on what steroids will do to 18 year olds, and make him see first hand, for himself, that it is not worth it.

Lets say he bought the wrong stuff and did not get steroids this time, if it goes unchecked he will buy again, and perhaps next time get steroids. An “old man” yelling at him definitely wont accomplish the job, so make him think for himself. Explain that his testicles will shrink, he will develop hideous acne (i stretched the truth there) he will be more agressive and scare away his friends, gf, people etc… and it just isn’t worth it.

I’m not a steroids kind of guy, but I can see why some people would get into it, and that’s their choice. Even among steroid using members of this site though most everyone agrees on two things:

  1. If you’re young, steroids are not necessary, and in fact dangerous.

  2. If you are going to use steroids, you should know what you’re doing.

Here is what I suggest:

Tell him that you are concerned for his health because you love him, and that you’d like to work with him on this issue. Have him read a number of the steroid articles on this site, and talk to some of the local gurus so he can get some feedback as to what he’s doing. Research the drugs and company he bought them from and let him know what you found. Buy him a copy of Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide here www.anabolicbooks.com and go through the cycle design process so he’ll at least know what he’s doing. My experience has been that if you show him you truly care and you’re not just trying to say “because I said so” he’ll listen. Maybe offer to get some blood work done and talk about switching to legal supplements. Knowledge is power.

Thanks for the feedback! The internet company is called sdi-labs.com supposedly in Florida and he bought them from legalsteroids.com from a woman named “Barbie” who now claims she didn’t know he was 18 and won’t return my phone calls. If any of you are familiar with this company, PLEASE reply.

Regarding the personality changes… I always that was just media hype. Do these types of steroids really make people more aggressive?

[quote]Grumpy_Bob wrote:
Thanks for the feedback! The internet company is called sdi-labs.com supposedly in Florida and he bought them from legalsteroids.com from a woman named “Barbie” who now claims she didn’t know he was 18 and won’t return my phone calls. If any of you are familiar with this company, PLEASE reply.

Regarding the personality changes… I always that was just media hype. Do these types of steroids really make people more aggressive?[/quote]

SDI labs makes a bunch of fake crap.This came from another thread on this site.
The Name Game

First, let’s play the name game. SDI-Labs sells Winni-V, D-Bol, Equipose, Masterbolan, Liquid Anodrol, Sustenol 250, Deca Nor 50, Somatroph HGH, and GHB among a few other items. Do those names look familiar? They should, because they’re either very close to the names of popular steroids or they’re based on slang terms for steroids or other compounds.

For example, they sell Equipose. The real steroid is called Equipoise. They also sell a product called Sustenol 250. Of course, the real Testosterone product is called Sustenon 250. And don’t think you’re getting stanazolol when you buy Winni-V. The real product is called Winstrol V and “winni” is only a slang term.

Same goes for D-Bol. This is not Dianabol (methandrostenolone). Apparently they just called it “D-Bol” and got a copyright on the name. (Another company did that with the name “ECA Stack” in hopes of luring in customers.)

Gee, maybe I should start buying oregano in 55-gallon drums and get the copyright on the name Pot?. I could start a website, take out some ads way in the back of MuscleMag and High Times and be the king of Pot?. All the Potheads? would love me (until they tried it) and I’d make a ton of dough! (You know, if I were a dishonest bottomfeeder, I’d be making a lot more money. Damn these morals! Damn this sense of right and wrong!)

So what’s in this stuff anyway since it’s obviously not real gear? Well, mainly different kinds of andro supplements, ephedra and caffeine. For example, their D-Bol product contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol (plus a few inconsequential things) and sells for 80 bucks a bottle. (About seven day’s worth if used at full dosage.)

“Winni-V” contains 25mg of 19-Norandrostenedione, 110mg B-Cyclodextrin, plus a minimal amount of caffeine and Mahuang (herbal ephedrine). What they’ve done here is add a little Mahuang and caffeine to the “steroids” that are known for a hardening effect.

Their topical Liquid Anodrol product (made to sound like the steroid Anadrol) contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol. The price? $110 a bottle. And even though this is a topical product, for some reason it comes with a funky looking syringe thingy. I haven’t quite figured that part out yet.

And how about that GHB stuff? They didn’t change the spelling there, did they? No they didn’t. Real GHB (gamma hydroxy butyrate) has been banned actually. Most people liked to use it as a party drug or a relaxant. Real GHB basically made you sleepy and somewhat euphoric. It became known as a “date rape drug” in some circles, hence the ban. So how is SDI-Labs selling it? They aren’t, of course.

The ads for “GHB” promise “incredible desire increase, prolonged arousal, and enhanced climax.” What’s in it? Nothing but 5mg of Yohimbine and 50mg of 4-Androstenediol. The really pathetic part is they give dosage guidelines for women, who of course should stay away from all andro-type products. By the way, the web site makes this note: “GHB is a pending a Trademark of SDI-LABS.” (See, that Pot? idea could work!) And yes, SDI-Labs does come out and say that this product doesn’t contain real GHB ingredients, if you read the site close enough.

Most of the other products tell the same story: steroid name ? cheap andro ingredient. Not only were pill-form andro products manufactured by other companies a failure, SDI-Labs is using very tiny dosages. (Heck, even large doses of this stuff didn’t work too well in pill form.) Perhaps this is because they really push you to buy one of their stacks consisting of several products. These can run upward of $820.

They also pull the same trick our fictional car manufacturer did in the intro. They talk about the positive effects of the real steroid hoping you’ll make the leap of faith and think their products do the same. This is especially true with their “HGH” product.
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The more androgenic steroids will cause an increase in aggression in teens and if you are predispositioned to anger. I know the latter first hand I have a short fuse and mix that with Tren whoa I;m a dick. Anyway sdi-labs and legalsteroids is a pro-hormone company selling gear under “slang” names in attempts to get ppl to think they are buying the real thing.

I’ve used many of their products before since they were given to me, and I have to say NOTHING HAPPENED. No positive or negative effects except oily skin. Overall they are relative harmless but like other have said WHAT IS REALLY IN THEM?? I do not know who Barbie I do know that contacting them will lead no where except more stress on your part as they are legal if you are 18 from what I remember.

I’m sure BBB and Wideguy can point you in the direction of some good articles on teen steroid use. I’ll even look myself because underage usage is a concern for all of us who use. Also I am not trying to tell you how to raise your son but remember calm, rational, and educational is the best way to help him formulate his own decision on future usage. Good luck and we are here to help with anymore questions,

As an 18 year old lifter, I can attest to being sucked into similar stuff as your son. I’ve wasted money on similar products, and played with the idea of steroids. The only reason I don’t do them now is because I’m informed. If you can inform your son the harm steroids can do to his body at this age, it would be for the best.

You have to be reasonable with him, and talk to him like you would talk to a friend. Whenever my father would tell me about drugs/steroids he would lecture me for hours about dangers he read in newspapers and magazines. Because he lectured, I was much more disinclined to listen to him. Good luck, I wish you the best.

The best thing he can do to get bigger and gain weight at this age is to lift, rest, and eat. Over the course of the last 2 years, I’ve managed to put on 55lbs by doing just that. At this age he and I both have incredibly good recovery ability and high testosterone levels. We don’t need anything but rest, food, and lifting to grow.

There’s actually a company called hi-tech pharmaceuticals (sp?) that bought the names Dianabol and Anavar.

Anavar Ingredients:

Proprietary Blend with Dual Bioavailabillity Complex, S-(2 Boronethyl) L-Cysteine HCL, 2-(S)-Amino-6-Boronohexanoic Acid, Creatine Bitartrate, Creatine Monohydrate, L-Arginine, L-Glutamine, Inosine Anhydrous, Adenosine Triphosphate, 25R Spirostan-5A-Diol-6-one-3-one, Luteoline-7-0-Glucoside.
aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6981

Dianabol Ingredients

Belizian Man Vine extract
Phenylethanoid glycosides
6-keto-diosgenin
Muira Puama Extact
Phytosterol extract
Tribulus terrestris
Hecogenin Acetate
Smilagenin
7-keto DHEA acetate
Dihydroxybergamottin
Vanadyl Sulfate
aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6984&owner=694

It may help to turn him on to T-Nation. Let us do the work and lecturing for you. I am only half joking here, but it may be good for him to hear from a peer group and advanced trainers the pros and cons of steroid use. Even the steroid vets here who are all for taking them will talk about taking them responsibly. At 18 years of age, there is no such thing as responsible use.

As said above, if he is going to use them he will, but at least he may know what he is dealing with. Also, if he can see he got scammed, he might be turned off of it, at least for now.
Good luck with this.

Lucky all he wasted was a good amonut of money and not his HPTA (The system of the body that dictates testosterone levels)

He probabaly spent damn near 300$ on the “Supper ripped blaster peaking stack: EXTREME” or “Mass monster super barely legal stack”

I would talk with him though, and tell him to get on here and learn about diet and training.

When he finds out all the bad things that can happen with uneducated steriod use he wont want to use them.

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Well, this ain’t good.

I had him read the SDI article, this thread, and WideGuy’s PM response, and he is still convinced that this is the way to go since “all the guys at school took this exact stuff last year and it worked for them.” I’d confiscate them if I could find them, but then he’d just buy more. I can advise him, talk to him, even lecture him, but he’s still got to make his own decisions.

Since he is going to continue taking them, are there any early warning signs that I can watch for? My wife feels strongly that his personality has changed in the last few days and he got in a wreck on his way to school this morning. He apparently was speeding and cut somebody off, and they couldn’t stop in time.

This may be a dumb question, but I hear that acne can come from improper use, but how long does it take to show up? What about the man-boobs thing? He has no anti-estrogen, so if he takes it for a month and then stops, what should we watch for?

Sorry for all the questions, it’s that damn paternal instinct again…

Chances are that what worked for the guys at school was either a) real steroids, and they can look forward to a lifetime of side effects coming down the pike, or b) they put more grind into their workouts because they thought they had an edge… instead of being slack-ass teenagers. Most people severely underestimate how much of the lifting game is mental.

These sound like kids with too much money and not enough damned sense.

Your stepson decides to drop his jewels, be a man, and take responsibility for his choices, and he can make some damned solid gains. He’s 18. The nutrition and training advice here can put him head and shoulders above his peers. If he decides to use in his mid-20’s, he’ll be primed and knowledgeable.

Oh… and the attitude thing? Same as above – mental. If he’s acting like a jackass, chances are it’s not the fake steroids doing it. He’s either just driving irresponsibly – which fits the profile of an 18 year-old who takes body-altering drugs without researching what he’s doing – or he may just be reacting in the way he thinks he should. Either way, it’s a genuine cause for concern.

You’re in an unenviable position. I suggest digging through this site, finding some of the articles on steroid use and the effects on teens using them (there’s a couple great rants), make sure he sees the flipside of guys who talk about using when older so he knows you’re not just yanking his chain, and then point him toward things like Berardi’s Massive Eating articles, and training articles like Westside for Skinny Bastards.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459321

Best of luck. Maybe the kid will smarten up long enough to listen.

[quote]Grumpy_Bob wrote:
Well, this ain’t good.

I had him read the SDI article, this thread, and WideGuy’s PM response, and he is still convinced that this is the way to go since “all the guys at school took this exact stuff last year and it worked for them.” I’d confiscate them if I could find them, but then he’d just buy more. I can advise him, talk to him, even lecture him, but he’s still got to make his own decisions.

Since he is going to continue taking them, are there any early warning signs that I can watch for? My wife feels strongly that his personality has changed in the last few days and he got in a wreck on his way to school this morning. He apparently was speeding and cut somebody off, and they couldn’t stop in time.

This may be a dumb question, but I hear that acne can come from improper use, but how long does it take to show up? What about the man-boobs thing? He has no anti-estrogen, so if he takes it for a month and then stops, what should we watch for?

Sorry for all the questions, it’s that damn paternal instinct again…[/quote]

First, what he has ain’t steriods, as you heard. That crap he has probably won’t do anything but considering his body is coursing with natural androgens, he’ll think thay are. Second, if they did work they would likely stunt his growth, so unless he’s 6’10" that’s usually a bad thing.

Third, and I really hate to say this, like this, but be a dad and make him give you that shit. As long as he lives in your house he’s got to live by your rules. If he don’t like it, he needs to leave. And yes I am a parent to, and I know it ain’t easy. Yes it sucks too.

[quote]Grumpy_Bob wrote:
Well, this ain’t good.

I had him read the SDI article, this thread, and WideGuy’s PM response, and he is still convinced that this is the way to go since “all the guys at school took this exact stuff last year and it worked for them.” I’d confiscate them if I could find them, but then he’d just buy more. I can advise him, talk to him, even lecture him, but he’s still got to make his own decisions.

Since he is going to continue taking them, are there any early warning signs that I can watch for? My wife feels strongly that his personality has changed in the last few days and he got in a wreck on his way to school this morning. He apparently was speeding and cut somebody off, and they couldn’t stop in time.

This may be a dumb question, but I hear that acne can come from improper use, but how long does it take to show up? What about the man-boobs thing? He has no anti-estrogen, so if he takes it for a month and then stops, what should we watch for?

Sorry for all the questions, it’s that damn paternal instinct again…[/quote]

The good news is…you stepson does not have steroids and you have nothing to worry about, if he is acting like an ass well its just because he is an ass.

The bad news is…he is an idiot.

Well I couldn’t be more…should I say proud? To see the answers that have gone up here. Bob the fact is, and I’m not the only one who thinks so that you (here’s the big part nobody mentioned so far) AND your wife have to lay down the law. I’ll be real honest here. I had the idea in my head that at some point in my life I would begin using aas from the time I was probably around 15-16. I didn’t touch real aas till I was 23(almost 24) and had been reading and learing about them that entire time. BTW, for anyone who’s known me on this board for a long time, I will clarify that I used MAG-10 when I was 21-22 (no not the whole f’in time LOL).

However that shit has nothing to do with your situation. You have a teenager who’s obviously got a big attitude/or who’s very strong willed. One can really become a problem, that would be the attitude obviously. On the other hand and strong will combined with knowledge and strong intelligent and positive support from his family and friends can do alot for a young man. First off unless this kid is really out there (and that’s entirely possible so be ready to deal with it), it’s not likely if you and his mother BOTH sit him down and tell him how it’s going down then there really shouldnt’ be shit he can say. IE. This is our house, we ARE NOT OK with our you using AAS or any other illegal drugs and even worse you’re putting something in your body that you know NOTHING about. That’s #1. Tell him you support him and think it’s great that he wants to do that but explain he’s taking the “Chump Route” and truly shortchanging himself on many levels

While his stuff is bunk, the placebo affect seems to be proving it’s strength already with this one. His behavior has changed for the worse. He is driving like an AH. On the positive side (sort of) he’s training harder and hopefully eating and resting more. Making progress in the gym. Now the downside it this. HE COULD HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT PLUS BOUGHT SOME GOOD FOOD AND SUPPLEMENTS THAT WORK PLUS!!!PROBABLY HAD MONEY TO TAKE CHICK OUT TO MOVIE AND A DINNER AND CATCH SOME HEAD> BTW that’s what his real primary goal should be at this age!! Alright kidding aside, he’s also losing out on one of the best aspects training can teach a man (especially a young man like him). It’s DISCIPLINE. Now I’m not saying that using AAS will take that lesson away from everyone who uses but I young man like your son in the position (no malice intended) is very likely to miss that lesson. Instead he’ll simply equate taking a drug to making him bigger=better. WHich, btw if you look at most of our population is quite the trend.

Will that make him a bad person? Not really, I know LOTS of people like that. Just look at the number of drug commercials targetting millions of people who see a syptom that sounds or is familiar and walk right on down tot the doctors office, who promptly sends them to the pharmacy. Yeah some of these people read that HUGE pamphlet that’s in the drug box. You know the one that you need a magnifying glass to read and folds out to 100xs it’s original size. Then again most people don’t. In fact most people just do what the doctor says. However, it’s a little different with AAS because most doctors dont’ have the time or care to deal with the subject. That coupled with the anti-AAS sensationalized media news and it’s very confusing to know who’s lying, who’s telling the truth, and who just really doesnt’ know.

Still with all of that said, one thing is agreed upon by any EDUCATED and LOGICAL human when it comes to steroid use. That one thing is that using AAS before one reaches full physical maturity (and mental maturity would be nice but some would have to wait forever) then they should not use them.

BTW, try and get the boy to register here and pm me we’ll talk.

Best thing you can do for a stubborn-ass kid is pretend like you don’t even care. He’ll be hit with the
“Holy shit my parents don’t care about me” feeling and really consider making the proper choice on his own. I’m only 20 and it worked on me a lot of the time.

WARNING: This method has been known to backfire(with me ending up in handcuffs several times)

But I most certainly did learn valuable life lessons each time. He will thank you one day but don’t hold your breath it might be a while.

Bro you’re 20 and juicing? How long have you been on, and assuming that the impression I’m getting is correct don’t you think you might not wanna add your 2 cc’s on this one bro. Your kinda young to be on? Btw sorry if this is already been explained.