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Natural vs Bodybuilding with Steroids

Contest condition for a natty of average height (5’10’’ ish) around 195-200 is VERY good. Most don’t realize that this means you’re walking around at 220 with a bodyfat that most would call very lean.

I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious.

^ I second that again.

I’m glad you guys find that claim as hilarious as I do


I wouldn’t be so quick to accuse someone of juicing or someone of being natural. Once you realize that isn’t very important you can move on and just focus on yourself.

People looking like Franco in high school?

Pleaseeee, yeah we have kids in high school that look like the 1976 Mr. Olympia…Dumbest thing I’ve read in a long time.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]LazyElemental wrote:
To look like Franco or Coleman you’ll need steroids, as for what you can do naturally take a look in Stu’s contest prep thread.

I 100% disagree. Ok, if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, then yes, you will most likely need steroids. but comeon, Franco Columbo. that guy was what 190lbs. he was a small guy. both in height and stature. he was pretty big for his day. but nowadays, ive seen high school guys bigger than him. maybe not as strong, but the question was could he look like him. and ive seen many many guys not on steroids that are 40lbs bigger than him. yes, he was very lean, but with proper nutrition and todays supplements, its not all that hard to do. [/quote]
well done troll … well done :slight_smile:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Contest condition for a natty of average height (5’10’’ ish) around 195-200 is VERY good. Most don’t realize that this means you’re walking around at 220 with a bodyfat that most would call very lean. [/quote]

I know a 5’ 10" lifetime natural lifter we can use as an example. This guy is not a bodybuilder, but dabbles a bit with body-comp. work for the challenge. He is in his late forties. He weighs 215-200 in the off-season and cleans up pretty nice at 195. The lighting is poor and he cetaintly doesn’t know shit about posing, but you guys will get the idea.

This video is from the spring of 2009

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Contest condition for a natty of average height (5’10’’ ish) around 195-200 is VERY good. Most don’t realize that this means you’re walking around at 220 with a bodyfat that most would call very lean. [/quote]

I know a 5’ 10" lifetime natural lifter we can use as an example. This guy is not a bodybuilder, but dabbles a bit with body-comp. work for the challenge. He is in his late forties. He weighs 215-200 in the off-season and cleans up pretty nice at 195. The lighting is poor and he cetaintly doesn’t know shit about posing, but you guys will get the idea.

This video is from the spring of 2009

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Not sure if the video loaded, but here is spring of 2010

[quote]josh86 wrote:
I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious. [/quote]

Go check out brock lesnar as a senior in high school. in fact, go check out any high school where wrestling is big and check out the heavyweight wrestlers. “oh, brock lesnar did steroids” well not according to every single drug test he has ever taken. he has never failed one test. you say, “well that guys a freak” well, not really, there are tons and tons of big guys like him in high schools wrestling.

why are you guys making franco columbo out to be something big. guys, he was a small dude. sure, he was cut and strong, but size wise, he was a small guy. get real.

its funny, dare to say the truth and people say your trolling. lol. what i said, is totally 100% true. any school where wrestling is big. you will find big huge guys that are natural. Probably the reason so many guys here say, oh, you can’t get that big without steroids, is because 99% of you, are all small. simple. of course, its hard when most of the guys here are only 240lbs in their dreams. in real life, most guys here are probably a buck 80, if that. so of course you will say, “oh, you have to do steroids to get big.” really? really?

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious. [/quote]

Go check out brock lesnar as a senior in high school. in fact, go check out any high school where wrestling is big and check out the heavyweight wrestlers. “oh, brock lesnar did steroids” well not according to every single drug test he has ever taken. he has never failed one test. you say, “well that guys a freak” well, not really, there are tons and tons of big guys like him in high schools wrestling.

why are you guys making franco columbo out to be something big. guys, he was a small dude. sure, he was cut and strong, but size wise, he was a small guy. get real. [/quote]

Brock Lesnar is 6 feet fucking 3 inches tall. That’s almost a foot taller than Columbu. Columbu competed at 5’5 (five feet five inches) 190lbs (one hundred ninety pounds). Do you really not understand the absurdity of your comments.

Even if Brock grew after high school, your comparison is trash. Show me these 5’5 17year olds walking around at 190-210 pounds <12% bf. I think you need to get out more. As in join the real world and leave your twilight universe behind for a little while.

Fuck this is a dumb thread.

Brock was actually pretty small in high school and grew pretty late. Franco was 5’5 or shorter and 185-190 in competition shape with impressive feats of strength to boot.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
its funny, dare to say the truth and people say your trolling. lol. what i said, is totally 100% true. any school where wrestling is big. you will find big huge guys that are natural. Probably the reason so many guys here say, oh, you can’t get that big without steroids, is because 99% of you, are all small. simple. of course, its hard when most of the guys here are only 240lbs in their dreams. in real life, most guys here are probably a buck 80, if that. so of course you will say, “oh, you have to do steroids to get big.” really? really? [/quote]

why so deadset on weight? there are other factors to ponder primarily height and leanness. me addressing you as a troll was not an attempt to berate you simply highlight the absurdity and irrationality of your posts.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious. [/quote]

Go check out brock lesnar as a senior in high school. in fact, go check out any high school where wrestling is big and check out the heavyweight wrestlers. “oh, brock lesnar did steroids” well not according to every single drug test he has ever taken. he has never failed one test. you say, “well that guys a freak” well, not really, there are tons and tons of big guys like him in high schools wrestling.

why are you guys making franco columbo out to be something big. guys, he was a small dude. sure, he was cut and strong, but size wise, he was a small guy. get real. [/quote]

Brock Lesnar is 6 feet fucking 3 inches tall. That’s almost a foot taller than Columbu. Columbu competed at 5’5 (five feet five inches) 190lbs (one hundred ninety pounds). Do you really not understand the absurdity of your comments.

Even if Brock grew after high school, your comparison is trash. Show me these 5’5 17year olds walking around at 190-210 pounds <12% bf. I think you need to get out more. As in join the real world and leave your twilight universe behind for a little while.

Fuck this is a dumb thread. [/quote]

see, now your changing the criteria. I only said there were much bigger guys in high school. its not my fault franco was short. hey, im pretty short myself. Im simply talking about size. you can be tall and be huge and you can be short and be huge. and franco was 180-185 at contest, not 190.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious. [/quote]

Go check out brock lesnar as a senior in high school. in fact, go check out any high school where wrestling is big and check out the heavyweight wrestlers. “oh, brock lesnar did steroids” well not according to every single drug test he has ever taken. he has never failed one test. you say, “well that guys a freak” well, not really, there are tons and tons of big guys like him in high schools wrestling.

why are you guys making franco columbo out to be something big. guys, he was a small dude. sure, he was cut and strong, but size wise, he was a small guy. get real. [/quote]

Some might find this realllllly hard to believe, but i’d wager most of the people here have gone to highschool before. I’d also wager most of the people here can’t honestly say they knew anyone that looked like franco in highschool.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious. [/quote]

Go check out brock lesnar as a senior in high school. in fact, go check out any high school where wrestling is big and check out the heavyweight wrestlers. “oh, brock lesnar did steroids” well not according to every single drug test he has ever taken. he has never failed one test. you say, “well that guys a freak” well, not really, there are tons and tons of big guys like him in high schools wrestling.

why are you guys making franco columbo out to be something big. guys, he was a small dude. sure, he was cut and strong, but size wise, he was a small guy. get real. [/quote]

Some might find this realllllly hard to believe, but i’d wager most of the people here have gone to highschool before. I’d also wager most of the people here can’t honestly say they knew anyone that looked like franco in highschool. [/quote]
I am in high school right now and I can attest to that. If that were the case, I wouldn’t draw the reaction that I do from my peers.

http://www.danawhiteout.com/2010/09/brock-lesnar-when-he-was-young/

brock through the ages, not an amazing large high schooler.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
I never post on these forums anymore but fuck i couldn’t resist, fucking lol @ the ridiculousness in here. Someone please post a picture of a HS student not on AAS who looks anything close to Franco. (note - there aren’t any) Fuckin hilarious. [/quote]

Go check out brock lesnar as a senior in high school. in fact, go check out any high school where wrestling is big and check out the heavyweight wrestlers. “oh, brock lesnar did steroids” well not according to every single drug test he has ever taken. he has never failed one test. you say, “well that guys a freak” well, not really, there are tons and tons of big guys like him in high schools wrestling.

why are you guys making franco columbo out to be something big. guys, he was a small dude. sure, he was cut and strong, but size wise, he was a small guy. get real. [/quote]

Brock Lesnar is 6 feet fucking 3 inches tall. That’s almost a foot taller than Columbu. Columbu competed at 5’5 (five feet five inches) 190lbs (one hundred ninety pounds). Do you really not understand the absurdity of your comments.

Even if Brock grew after high school, your comparison is trash. Show me these 5’5 17year olds walking around at 190-210 pounds <12% bf. I think you need to get out more. As in join the real world and leave your twilight universe behind for a little while.

Fuck this is a dumb thread. [/quote]

see, now your changing the criteria. I only said there were much bigger guys in high school. its not my fault franco was short. hey, im pretty short myself. Im simply talking about size. you can be tall and be huge and you can be short and be huge. and franco was 180-185 at contest, not 190. [/quote]

You make zero sense.

Of course there are “bigger” guys in high school. A 6’5’’ 300 lb high school offensive lineman is bigger than Franco. He also would be bigger than many top bodybuilders today by the standard you’re using.

Get real. Show me a high school wrestler that looks like Franco Columbo.

^couldnt resist, but thats pretty much all thats happening here