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Natural vs Bodybuilding with Steroids

Don’t worry about whether someone is juiced or not, people who you think are “on” prolly aren’t and vice versa.

It seem as though nattys GENERALLY have to choose between being ripped yet smaller or a bit softer and bigger.

You don’t see too many huge ripped nattys walking around imo. obviously there are exceptions

[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
How about you just keep plugging away at it, bust your ass off, and in a few years if the progress you’ve made is stalling and you want to take this further, explore pharmaceutical assistance.[/quote]

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[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
Look at Synergy, The mighty Stu, Professor X, KingBeef, MODOK, Holymac, and BugAD for big natty’s to ask advice/look up to/whatever. There are others too, those were off the top of my head.

That being said, you can learn a lot from discussions in the steroids forum too. People are too judgmental, so they tend to keep on that board when it comes to training/diet and stay off of this one.[/quote]

Synergy is definitely an awesome example of a natty around these boards. Has X ever actually claimed to be natural? I thought he usually took a “not something i would discuss on the internet” stance.

[quote]mjhq75 wrote:
Hey you guys. I have really been working out hard lately, eating like a fiend, sleeping well, and following the mountain dog to a tee. in the last 2 and a half months I have gained 17 pounds and my strength has gone way up. Also, I do not look down upon steroids, it’s part of the sport and can be used responsibly. Anyways, if I was ever to use steroids it would be years in the future, as I am still making gains and I am only 19 years old. But my I just want to be like Franco Columbu, or Coleman or something like that. What can a person reasonably achieve without the use of steroids? Do you guys think John Meadows takes steroids?[/quote]

All it takes is a quick google search of pro natty comps and “other” pro comps, like the Olympia for example. Theres a pretty glaring difference between some of the best naturals like Layne Norton and then a guy like David Henry.

[quote]LazyElemental wrote:
To look like Franco or Coleman you’ll need steroids, as for what you can do naturally take a look in Stu’s contest prep thread.

I 100% disagree. Ok, if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, then yes, you will most likely need steroids. but comeon, Franco Columbo. that guy was what 190lbs. he was a small guy. both in height and stature. he was pretty big for his day. but nowadays, ive seen high school guys bigger than him. maybe not as strong, but the question was could he look like him. and ive seen many many guys not on steroids that are 40lbs bigger than him. yes, he was very lean, but with proper nutrition and todays supplements, its not all that hard to do.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]LazyElemental wrote:
To look like Franco or Coleman you’ll need steroids, as for what you can do naturally take a look in Stu’s contest prep thread.

I 100% disagree. Ok, if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, then yes, you will most likely need steroids. but comeon, Franco Columbo. that guy was what 190lbs. he was a small guy. both in height and stature. he was pretty big for his day. but nowadays, ive seen high school guys bigger than him. maybe not as strong, but the question was could he look like him. and ive seen many many guys not on steroids that are 40lbs bigger than him. yes, he was very lean, but with proper nutrition and todays supplements, its not all that hard to do. [/quote]

I agree with you about colombu, a short guy with REALLY good genetics can pull that off. He was fairly light weight, and had arms that werent any bigger than 18" if im not mistaken.

Funny you pick those 2 guys, Franco Columbo wasn’t big but the doses that he used back in the 70’s were no way near what they use today plus they did it more during pre contest to keep muscle and get the full look; Ronnie Coleman started as a natural body builder and even competed as a natural when he started and maxed out his considerable genetic potential, once he made some money and started using steroids he suddenly started winning the Mr. O but he competed for a few years as a natural in the pro ranks. Work out for another 3 or 4 years before even considering anything

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
Look at Synergy, The mighty Stu, Professor X, KingBeef, MODOK, Holymac, and BugAD for big natty’s to ask advice/look up to/whatever. There are others too, those were off the top of my head.

That being said, you can learn a lot from discussions in the steroids forum too. People are too judgmental, so they tend to keep on that board when it comes to training/diet and stay off of this one.[/quote]

Synergy is definitely an awesome example of a natty around these boards. Has X ever actually claimed to be natural? I thought he usually took a “not something i would discuss on the internet” stance. [/quote]
He’s been on this board for so long and probably answered the question so many times that he just overlooks it. He’s natural.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Has X ever actually claimed to be natural? I thought he usually took a “not something i would discuss on the internet” stance. [/quote]
One does not exclude the other. Big guys existed before steroids, remember that.

pics of high school guys that look like franco columbo please.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]LazyElemental wrote:
To look like Franco or Coleman you’ll need steroids, as for what you can do naturally take a look in Stu’s contest prep thread.

I 100% disagree. Ok, if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, then yes, you will most likely need steroids. but comeon, Franco Columbo. that guy was what 190lbs. he was a small guy. both in height and stature. he was pretty big for his day. but nowadays, ive seen high school guys bigger than him. maybe not as strong, but the question was could he look like him. and ive seen many many guys not on steroids that are 40lbs bigger than him. yes, he was very lean, but with proper nutrition and todays supplements, its not all that hard to do. [/quote]

I 100% disagree with your post. Most likely need steroids to look like coleman? Not all that hard to look like franco? Are we talking about the same people?

I agree there are kids bigger than him or maybe have bigger arms but they sure as hell don’t look like him.

nattys can build very impressive physiques, there are many examples on this site. But like I said in my previous post I believe most have to sacrifice leanness for size and vice versa.

I just thought you were off base using two pro bbers juiced to the gills as examples of attainable feats.

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
pics of high school guys that look like franco columbo please.[/quote]

yes,send some high school freaks pics pls…
Franco was a rock,very imo with way more muscles than Arnie.

If a lifetime natural bodybuilder can achieve a bodyweight of 3lbs for each inch of height in contest condition(or very close), they will be in rare company. I would be shocked if there were more than ten people on this site that have reached that level and could prove it!
Talk is cheap…if you have pics or video I’d love to see them.

lol @ thread.

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
pics of high school guys that look like franco columbo please.[/quote]

yes,send some high school freaks pics pls…
Franco was a rock,very imo with way more muscles than Arnie.[/quote]

more muscle than arnold?? ha ha. arnold outweighed franco probaby by a good 50-60lbs. easy.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
If a lifetime natural bodybuilder can achieve a bodyweight of 3lbs for each inch of height in contest condition(or very close), they will be in rare company. I would be shocked if there were more than ten people on this site that have reached that level and could prove it!
Talk is cheap…if you have pics or video I’d love to see them. [/quote]

I have to agree. I’ll even take it a step further by saying someone lifetime natural at even over only 200 lbs in contest condition or close to it is hard to come by. Not saying it’s rare but very difficlult for a majority of the population. Genetics is 90% of the battle whether we want to believe it or not. Regardless of how hard or intelligent someone like professor X eats or trains it’s his gentetics that got him there. Very few guys will ever come close to looking like him or the other naturally big boys mentioned on this site even if they did everything right and even juiced. Ok feel free to flame me lol.
Just to add to that, doesn’t mean I don’t keep trying to improve. I’ll never quit.

[quote]mjhq75 wrote:
Hey you guys. I have really been working out hard lately, eating like a fiend, sleeping well, and following the mountain dog to a tee. in the last 2 and a half months I have gained 17 pounds and my strength has gone way up. Also, I do not look down upon steroids, it’s part of the sport and can be used responsibly. Anyways, if I was ever to use steroids it would be years in the future, as I am still making gains and I am only 19 years old. But my I just want to be like Franco Columbu, or Coleman or something like that. What can a person reasonably achieve without the use of steroids? Do you guys think John Meadows takes steroids?[/quote]

This is going to sound harsh, but I am trying to help.

The biggest difference between you and the guys you mentioned isn’t steroids. It’s work, dedication, diet, training, and genetics too.

It doesn’t make sense to think of things the way you are because you aren’t going to look like any of the guys you mentioned steroids or not.

All you can do is do the best you can with what you have. You are making good progress, so keep doing what you are doing. If it stops working, re-evaluate where you are and where you want to go at that point. What other people look like should have no impact on what you do.

What the fuck am I reading here…

Lol

Franco was 5’5", and was 190 in contest condition, for those that forgot.

[quote]as wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
If a lifetime natural bodybuilder can achieve a bodyweight of 3lbs for each inch of height in contest condition(or very close), they will be in rare company. I would be shocked if there were more than ten people on this site that have reached that level and could prove it!
Talk is cheap…if you have pics or video I’d love to see them. [/quote]

I have to agree. I’ll even take it a step further by saying someone lifetime natural at even over only 200 lbs in contest condition or close to it is hard to come by. Not saying it’s rare but very difficlult for a majority of the population. [/quote]

Agreed with both quotes

I’ve lost count of the amount of teenagers and inexperienced “bulked up people” laughing at a natty being 170-200lbs but in contest condition (as if they haven’t achieved anything)…because they don’t realise what has to be sacrificed to be in that shape (and what weight they had to drop from). Judging a person purely by weight is pure ignorance (something I admit I used to be very guilty of)