Oh brother. Just someone explain to me how it’s implied that a split is primarily for refining and not packing on as muscle possible onto someone’s frame! Actually, the way to pack the most mass on someone IS with a split, as other programs will usually leave areas that are lacking mass, which could have been more sizable had they been addressed from the beginning with standard bodybuilding training! The guy already knows how to lift weights from a standard LP program, and I think ALL beginners should start out with a full body program to get in shape and learn how to lift. After three to six months on a full body program, it’s time to make a decision: powerlifting, general fitness/fit guy/gymrat, physique, bodybuilding, physique, or whatever!
When I was talking about weaknesses, I was not speaking of a program specifically for his weaknesses. I was referring to a program with appropriate exercise selection and sequencing for muscle groups that appear to be lagging behind other groups! This in no way implies that that one of the most important end goals is not mass building, as every bodybuilder has the aim to build more mass.
As I said elsewhere or implied, I dislike the general term “strength oriented” program because every damn weight training program for serious people produces strength! If I increase poundages on any exercise, be it a leg curl, or bent row, or incline curl, or lateral raise, or squat, whatever the heck it is, I GAINED STRENGTH! And the only way to be the best bodybuilder one can be is not only “add weight to the bar” as all the strength-obsessed/full-body/upper-lower guys like to say, but try to add weight to the bar… to the machine… to the cable… and to the dumbbell.
For some bizarre reason, people have some notion that once some guy decides to bodybuild, he will forever remain using the same weights in every exercise! As if Dorian Yates, Mike Francois, Ronnie Coleman, Dallas McArver and other massive, strong-as-hell BBer’s would be the size they achieved by not “chasing weight”.
@RyuuKyuzo In my belief, you didn’t give him the ideal program to build mass all over the body. You gave him a program that will make him more efficient in a handful of lifts while gaining SOME mass but in the end causing problems or wasted time for his end goals. There’s no reason, after he had run an LP program that he can’t add 20 pounds to his frame (not all muscle) with a split in the next few years even though he currently weighs 150 pounds at 15% body fat (and he doesn’t even for sure know how much fat he’s carrying). And every solid split includes a squat variation, bench press variations, dips, rows, overhead press variations, and so on!
I don’t know where this notion came from that someone is either “add weight to the bar”/Mr. Compound-Power Man or Mr. Fluff-Split-Refinement Man.
One guy at my gym, we were speaking last week. The guy is 28 years old, and wants to turn pro and–get this!-COMPETE IN CP AT THE MR. OLYMPIA LEVEL! He constantly trains like an enraged powerlifter with low reps in seemingly everything. He is a very nice guy and offered to share some workouts. I said, “Well I train a bit different than you.” He replied, “Well I’m for the compounds.”
Meanwhile between our mini-convos between sets he had seen me perform bent-over rows, decline dumbbell pullovers (a damn hard exercise actually), lat pulldowns, neutral grip chins, face-pulls, and scapular retractions. Aside from the last two exercises, I felt like asking, “What the hell is not compound about bent rows, chins, lat pulldowns, and dumbbell pullovers?!”