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My Third Cycle

Hi bros

I´m on my 3 cycle and looking for something different, so i was thinking:

1-10 Boldenone______400mg/w
1-16 Proviron_________50mg/ed
1-10 Hcg____________250iu/e 4 days

PCT:
12-14 Tamoxifen_______40mg/ed
14-16 Tamoxifen_______20mg/ed

Supplements:
12-16 ZMA____________ 3 pills/ed (bed time)
12-16 Vitamin E________800iu/ed
12-16 Vitamin C________2gr/ed (1gr morning, 1gr pws)
12-16 Creatine_________10gr/ed (morning/pws)
12-16 BCAA___________10gr/ed (pw)

So i would like your opinion on this one, thank´s.

[quote]Biohazard_pt wrote:
Hi bros

I´m on my 3 cycle and looking for something different, so i was thinking:

1-10 Boldenone______400mg/w
1-16 Proviron_________50mg/ed
1-10 Hcg____________250iu/e 4 days

PCT:
12-14 Tamoxifen_______40mg/ed
14-16 Tamoxifen_______20mg/ed

Supplements:
12-16 ZMA____________ 3 pills/ed (bed time)
12-16 Vitamin E________800iu/ed
12-16 Vitamin C________2gr/ed (1gr morning, 1gr pws)
12-16 Creatine_________10gr/ed (morning/pws)
12-16 BCAA___________10gr/ed (pw)

So i would like your opinion on this one, thank´s.[/quote]

what’s your goal of this cycle? increased endurance? if not, i think that’s really all you’ll get out of it…maybe a little LBM, but not much.

couple other things i see…don’t run Proviron during PCT, as it is an androgen, and it isn’t going to help your boys come back. run it weeks 1-12.

Also, i don’t think you need Nolvadex for 5-6 weeks, but it prolly won’t hurt, either.

if you absolutely wanna run EQ only, you might want to frontload it the first week…

[quote]Biohazard_pt wrote:
Hi bros

I´m on my 3 cycle and looking for something different, so i was thinking:

1-10 Boldenone______400mg/w
1-16 Proviron_________50mg/ed
1-10 Hcg____________250iu/e 4 days

PCT:
12-14 Tamoxifen_______40mg/ed
14-16 Tamoxifen_______20mg/ed

Supplements:
12-16 ZMA____________ 3 pills/ed (bed time)
12-16 Vitamin E________800iu/ed
12-16 Vitamin C________2gr/ed (1gr morning, 1gr pws)
12-16 Creatine_________10gr/ed (morning/pws)
12-16 BCAA___________10gr/ed (pw)

So i would like your opinion on this one, thank´s.[/quote]

I don’t like it. EQ only (basically) cycle? Why not just run test at 200mg/week and you’d get the same, if not better, results.

Otherwise:
~I like the Proviron into PCT, though I think I would taper it down and off a week before you’re done with the SERM.
~No point or reason to run the Nolvadex at 40mg/day, anything above 20mg is simply for gyno control/reduction, which isn’t going to be a concern during the cycle or especially after. Stick with 20mg/day.
~I’m not much for Creatine, but I would run it during the cycle as well.
~Run the Vitamin E with the HCG for it’s enhanced effect.

frontloading Eq never did anything for me.

the proviron shouldnt affect your recovery but they will make it harder to tell how you are recovering. i like the taper idea…

I personally find i notice better libido increases, thus a higher HPTA stimulation from 40mg nolva than 20mg nolva… maybe it is just me - i dont know what the research says on that.

OP… if you want to run eq alone you may want to look at more like 600mg… i assume you have a good reason for running this cycle? I personally am not that against non-test cycles.

all your supplements are best long term. vitamins are near useless used short time, as the body needs the cells to die and be replaced with the new micronutrients, which takes 3 months or so IIRC. At least for the more ‘health’ benefits of vitamins, Anti-oxidant etc… and A and C are both anti oxidants…
BB+CAA’s would be good during and after the cycle - all the time. ZMA the same, creatine i wouldnt bother with during the cycle, but for longer than 4 weeks… use it for the whole time you are off cycle… in this case at least 12 weeks or so.

JMO…

JJ

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
Biohazard_pt wrote:
Hi bros

I´m on my 3 cycle and looking for something different, so i was thinking:

1-10 Boldenone______400mg/w
1-16 Proviron_________50mg/ed
1-10 Hcg____________250iu/e 4 days

PCT:
12-14 Tamoxifen_______40mg/ed
14-16 Tamoxifen_______20mg/ed

Supplements:
12-16 ZMA____________ 3 pills/ed (bed time)
12-16 Vitamin E________800iu/ed
12-16 Vitamin C________2gr/ed (1gr morning, 1gr pws)
12-16 Creatine_________10gr/ed (morning/pws)
12-16 BCAA___________10gr/ed (pw)

So i would like your opinion on this one, thank´s.

what’s your goal of this cycle? increased endurance? if not, i think that’s really all you’ll get out of it…maybe a little LBM, but not much.

couple other things i see…don’t run Proviron during PCT, as it is an androgen, and it isn’t going to help your boys come back. run it weeks 1-12.

Also, i don’t think you need Nolvadex for 5-6 weeks, but it prolly won’t hurt, either.

if you absolutely wanna run EQ only, you might want to frontload it the first week…[/quote]

Hi, my goal is medium gains (3 to 5 kg) clean, for what i know, proviron at 50mg/day dosn´t affect the HPTA, i take to make a bridge on my sex drive, and during the cycle as well.
maybe i do the frontload, since is a long act ester.

[off-topic]I have a friend that run 200mg/w for 10w alone and he did ok, 5kg clean, and he dosen´t do pct, go figer?

[quote] Brook wrote:
frontloading Eq never did anything for me.

the proviron shouldnt affect your recovery but they will make it harder to tell how you are recovering. i like the taper idea…

I personally find i notice better libido increases, thus a higher HPTA stimulation from 40mg nolva than 20mg nolva… maybe it is just me - i dont know what the research says on that.

OP… if you want to run eq alone you may want to look at more like 600mg… i assume you have a good reason for running this cycle? I personally am not that against non-test cycles.

all your supplements are best long term. vitamins are near useless used short time, as the body needs the cells to die and be replaced with the new micronutrients, which takes 3 months or so IIRC. At least for the more ‘health’ benefits of vitamins, Anti-oxidant etc… and A and C are both anti oxidants…
BB+CAA’s would be good during and after the cycle - all the time. ZMA the same, creatine i wouldnt bother with during the cycle, but for longer than 4 weeks… use it for the whole time you are off cycle… in this case at least 12 weeks or so.

JMO…

JJ[/quote]

The main reason of a non-test cycle is that a get to much acne on my body and it takes to long to ell whit acutan, so i´m thing in this, in the old days old school bb, like arnold, he toke primo and dbol, and left the testo alone, and they look ok.
I´m 1.86cm high with 98kg, and low bf 12%, so my main goal is:
-No acne, moderate but sustain gains, no bloat.

Thank´s

[quote]Biohazard_pt wrote:
for what i know, proviron at 50mg/day dosn´t affect the HPTA, i take to make a bridge on my sex drive, and during the cycle as well.

[/quote]

hey, if it works for you than it works…who am i to judge? i do think it’s a bad idea, and will attach a drug profile of Proviron to try and explain myslef better.

Proviron (mesterolone)

Quick overview:

Active Life: 8-12 hours (effects last about 24 hours)
Drug Class: Androgenic Steroid/Anti- Aromatization (Oral)
Average Dose: Men 25-100 mg/day…Women 25-50 mg/day
Acne: Rare
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: Rare
Liver Toxic: Low
Aromatization: None
DHT Conversion: No, it is a derivative of DHT
Decrease HPTA function: No

Proviron? is the Schering brand name for the oral androgen mesterolone (1 methyl-dihydrotestosterone). Just as with DHT, the activity of this steroid is that of a strong androgen which does not aromatize into estrogen. In clinical situations Proviron is generally used to treat various types of sexual dysfunction, which often result from a low endogenous testosterone level. It can usually reverse problems of sexual disinterest and impotency, and is sometimes used to increase the sperm count. The drug does not stimulate the body to produce testosterone, but is simply an oral androgen substitute that is used to compensate for a lack of the natural male androgen.

Although this steroid is strongly androgenic, the anabolic effect of it is considered too weak for muscle building purposes. This is due to the fact that Proviron is rapidly reduced to inactive metabolites in muscle tissue, a trait also characteristic of dihydrotestosterone. The belief that the weak anabolic nature of this compound indicated a tendency to block the androgen receptor in muscle tissue, thereby reducing the gains of other more potent muscle building steroids, should likewise not be taken seriously.

In fact due to its extremely high affinity for plasma binding proteins such as SHBG, Proviron may actually work to increase the activity of other steroids by displacing a higher percentage into a free, unbound state. Among athletes Proviron is primarily used as an anti-estrogen. It is believed to act as an anti-aromatase in the body, preventing or slowing the conversion of steroids into estrogen. The result is somewhat comparable to Arimidex (though less profound), the drug acting to prevent the buildup of estrogen in the body. This is in direct contrast to Nolvadex, which only blocks the ability of estrogen to bind and activate receptors in certain tissues. The anti-aromatization effect is preferred, as it is a more direct and efficient means of dealing with the problem of estrogenic side effects. Another disadvantage of Nolvadex is that if discontinued too early, a rebound effect may occur as high serum estrogen levels are again free to take action. This of course could mean a rapid onset of side effects such as gynecomastia. Most actually prefer to use both Proviron and Nolvadex, especially during strongly estrogenic cycles. With each item attacking estrogen at a different angle, side effects are often greatly reduced.

The anti-estrogenic properties of Proviron are not unique to this compound. A number of steroids have in fact demonstrated similar activity. Dihydrotestosterone and Masteron (2methyl-dihydrotestosterone) for example have been successfully used as therapies for gynecomastia and breast cancer due to their strong anti-estrogenic effect. It has been suggested that nandrolone may even lower aromatase activity in peripheral tissues where it is more resistant to estrogen conversion (the most active site of nandrolone aromatization seems to be the liver). The anti-estrogenic effect of all of these compounds is presumably caused by their ability to compete with other substrates for binding to the aromatase enzyme. With the aromatase enzyme bound to the steroid, yet being unable to alter it, and inhibiting effect is achieved as it is temporarily blocked from interacting with other hormones.

This drug is also favored by many during contest preparations, when a lower estrogen/high androgen level is particularly sought after. This is especially beneficial when anabolics like Winstrol, oxandrolone and Primobolan are being used alone, as the androgenic content of these drugs is relatively low. Proviron can supplement a well needed androgen, and bring about an increase in the hardness and density of the muscles. Women in particular find a single 25mg tablet will efficiently shift the androgen/estrogen ratio, and can have a great impact on the physique. Since this is such a strong androgen however, extreme caution should be taken with administration. Higher dosages clearly have the potential to cause virilization symptoms quite readily. For this reason females will rarely take more than one tablet per day, and limit the length of intake to no longer than four or five weeks. One tablet used in conjunction with 10 or 20mg of Nolvadex can be even more efficient for muscle hardening, creating an environment where the body is much more inclined to burn off extra body fat (especially in female trouble areas like the hips and thighs).

The typical dosage for men is one to four 25 mg per tablets per day. This is a sufficient amount to prevent gynecomastia, the drug is often used throughout the entire cycle. As mentioned earlier, it is often combined with Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or Clomid (clomiphene citrate) when heavily estrogenic steroids are being taken (Dianabol, testosterone etc.). Administering 50mg of Proviron and 20mg Nolvadex daily has proven extremely effective in such instances, and it is quite uncommon for higher dosages to be required. And just as we discussed for women, the androgenic nature of this compound is greatly welcome during contest preparation. Here again Proviron should noticeably benefit the hardness and density of the muscle, while at the same time increasing the tendency to burn off a greater amount of body fat. Proviron is usually well tolerated and side effects (men) are rare with dosages under 100 mg per day. Above this, one may develop an excessively high androgen level and encounter some problems. Typical androgenic side effects include oily skin, acne, body/facial hair growth and exacerbation of a male pattern baldness condition, and may occur even with the use of a moderate dosage. With the strong effect DHT has on the reproductive system, androgenic actions may also include an extreme heightening of male libido. And as discussed earlier, Women should be careful around Proviron. It is an androgen, and as such has the potential to produce virilization symptoms quite readily. This includes, of course, a deepening of the voice, menstrual irregularities, changes in skin texture and clitoral enlargement.

Proviron is also not a c17 alpha alkylated compound, an alteration commonly used with oral anabolic/androgenic steroids. Not using this structure in the case of Proviron removes the notable risk of liver toxicity we normally associate with oral drugs. It is therefore considered a “safe” oral, the user having no need to worry about serious complications with use. This steroid in fact utilizes the same 1-methylation we see present on Primobolan (methenolone), another well tolerated orally active compound. Alkylation at the one position also slows metabolism of the steroid during the first pass, although much less profoundly than 17 alpha alkylation. Likewise Proviron and Primobolan are resistant enough to breakdown to allow therapeutically beneficial blood levels to be achieved, although the overall bioavailability of these compounds is still much lower than methylated oral steroids.

The popularity of Proviron amongst bodybuilders has been increasing in recent years. Many experienced bodybuilders have in fact come to swear by it, incorporating it effectively in most markedly estrogenic cycles. Due to high demand Proviron is now very easy to obtain on the black market. Most versions will be manufactured by Schering, and should cost about $1-$2 per 25 mg tab. This drug is packaged in both push-through strips and small glass vials, so do not let this alarm you. There is currently no need to worry about authenticity with this drug, as no counterfeits are known to exist. If money and availability does not prevent it, Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin ares actually a much better choice than Proviron though. These drugs were designed specifically as an anti-aromatase, and works much more effectively than anything else we have available.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
Biohazard_pt wrote:
for what i know, proviron at 50mg/day dosn´t affect the HPTA, i take to make a bridge on my sex drive, and during the cycle as well.

hey, if it works for you than it works…who am i to judge? i do think it’s a bad idea, and will attach a drug profile of Proviron to try and explain myslef better.

[/quote]

I think the common arguement is that Proviron is slightly suppressive and ANY suppression is not good during PCT, I don’t believe it to be so on the overall picture, but given that it may be and obviously is going to have some sort of suppression to a slight degree is why I think that the tapering and allowing a week without it for recovery is plenty for complete recovery.

Plus the fact that most people finish PCT while they still have that ever so little suppression taking place from the long-esters, hampering complete recovery more than likely given different aas. The recovery from any suppression that the Proviron might cause is going to be rather easy as it should only ever so slightly reduce LH, a few days of PCT to be safe should be fine.

Here’s a piece from another profile that fits into my thoughts a bit:

“…let´s talk about how Proviron affects your HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis)& the thing that regulates the male hormonal system. When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive “bridge” between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8).
6. The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.
8. Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.
10. The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study). Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.”

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
Biohazard_pt wrote:
for what i know, proviron at 50mg/day dosn´t affect the HPTA, i take to make a bridge on my sex drive, and during the cycle as well.

hey, if it works for you than it works…who am i to judge? i do think it’s a bad idea, and will attach a drug profile of Proviron to try and explain myslef better.

Proviron (mesterolone)

Quick overview:

Active Life: 8-12 hours (effects last about 24 hours)
Drug Class: Androgenic Steroid/Anti- Aromatization (Oral)
Average Dose: Men 25-100 mg/day…Women 25-50 mg/day
Acne: Rare
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: Rare
Liver Toxic: Low
Aromatization: None
DHT Conversion: No, it is a derivative of DHT
Decrease HPTA function: No

Proviron? is the Schering brand name for the oral androgen mesterolone (1 methyl-dihydrotestosterone). Just as with DHT, the activity of this steroid is that of a strong androgen which does not aromatize into estrogen. In clinical situations Proviron is generally used to treat various types of sexual dysfunction, which often result from a low endogenous testosterone level. It can usually reverse problems of sexual disinterest and impotency, and is sometimes used to increase the sperm count. The drug does not stimulate the body to produce testosterone, but is simply an oral androgen substitute that is used to compensate for a lack of the natural male androgen.

Although this steroid is strongly androgenic, the anabolic effect of it is considered too weak for muscle building purposes. This is due to the fact that Proviron is rapidly reduced to inactive metabolites in muscle tissue, a trait also characteristic of dihydrotestosterone. The belief that the weak anabolic nature of this compound indicated a tendency to block the androgen receptor in muscle tissue, thereby reducing the gains of other more potent muscle building steroids, should likewise not be taken seriously.

In fact due to its extremely high affinity for plasma binding proteins such as SHBG, Proviron may actually work to increase the activity of other steroids by displacing a higher percentage into a free, unbound state. Among athletes Proviron is primarily used as an anti-estrogen. It is believed to act as an anti-aromatase in the body, preventing or slowing the conversion of steroids into estrogen. The result is somewhat comparable to Arimidex (though less profound), the drug acting to prevent the buildup of estrogen in the body. This is in direct contrast to Nolvadex, which only blocks the ability of estrogen to bind and activate receptors in certain tissues. The anti-aromatization effect is preferred, as it is a more direct and efficient means of dealing with the problem of estrogenic side effects. Another disadvantage of Nolvadex is that if discontinued too early, a rebound effect may occur as high serum estrogen levels are again free to take action. This of course could mean a rapid onset of side effects such as gynecomastia. Most actually prefer to use both Proviron and Nolvadex, especially during strongly estrogenic cycles. With each item attacking estrogen at a different angle, side effects are often greatly reduced.

The anti-estrogenic properties of Proviron are not unique to this compound. A number of steroids have in fact demonstrated similar activity. Dihydrotestosterone and Masteron (2methyl-dihydrotestosterone) for example have been successfully used as therapies for gynecomastia and breast cancer due to their strong anti-estrogenic effect. It has been suggested that nandrolone may even lower aromatase activity in peripheral tissues where it is more resistant to estrogen conversion (the most active site of nandrolone aromatization seems to be the liver). The anti-estrogenic effect of all of these compounds is presumably caused by their ability to compete with other substrates for binding to the aromatase enzyme. With the aromatase enzyme bound to the steroid, yet being unable to alter it, and inhibiting effect is achieved as it is temporarily blocked from interacting with other hormones.

This drug is also favored by many during contest preparations, when a lower estrogen/high androgen level is particularly sought after. This is especially beneficial when anabolics like Winstrol, oxandrolone and Primobolan are being used alone, as the androgenic content of these drugs is relatively low. Proviron can supplement a well needed androgen, and bring about an increase in the hardness and density of the muscles. Women in particular find a single 25mg tablet will efficiently shift the androgen/estrogen ratio, and can have a great impact on the physique. Since this is such a strong androgen however, extreme caution should be taken with administration. Higher dosages clearly have the potential to cause virilization symptoms quite readily. For this reason females will rarely take more than one tablet per day, and limit the length of intake to no longer than four or five weeks. One tablet used in conjunction with 10 or 20mg of Nolvadex can be even more efficient for muscle hardening, creating an environment where the body is much more inclined to burn off extra body fat (especially in female trouble areas like the hips and thighs).

The typical dosage for men is one to four 25 mg per tablets per day. This is a sufficient amount to prevent gynecomastia, the drug is often used throughout the entire cycle. As mentioned earlier, it is often combined with Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or Clomid (clomiphene citrate) when heavily estrogenic steroids are being taken (Dianabol, testosterone etc.). Administering 50mg of Proviron and 20mg Nolvadex daily has proven extremely effective in such instances, and it is quite uncommon for higher dosages to be required. And just as we discussed for women, the androgenic nature of this compound is greatly welcome during contest preparation. Here again Proviron should noticeably benefit the hardness and density of the muscle, while at the same time increasing the tendency to burn off a greater amount of body fat. Proviron is usually well tolerated and side effects (men) are rare with dosages under 100 mg per day. Above this, one may develop an excessively high androgen level and encounter some problems. Typical androgenic side effects include oily skin, acne, body/facial hair growth and exacerbation of a male pattern baldness condition, and may occur even with the use of a moderate dosage. With the strong effect DHT has on the reproductive system, androgenic actions may also include an extreme heightening of male libido. And as discussed earlier, Women should be careful around Proviron. It is an androgen, and as such has the potential to produce virilization symptoms quite readily. This includes, of course, a deepening of the voice, menstrual irregularities, changes in skin texture and clitoral enlargement.

Proviron is also not a c17 alpha alkylated compound, an alteration commonly used with oral anabolic/androgenic steroids. Not using this structure in the case of Proviron removes the notable risk of liver toxicity we normally associate with oral drugs. It is therefore considered a “safe” oral, the user having no need to worry about serious complications with use. This steroid in fact utilizes the same 1-methylation we see present on Primobolan (methenolone), another well tolerated orally active compound. Alkylation at the one position also slows metabolism of the steroid during the first pass, although much less profoundly than 17 alpha alkylation. Likewise Proviron and Primobolan are resistant enough to breakdown to allow therapeutically beneficial blood levels to be achieved, although the overall bioavailability of these compounds is still much lower than methylated oral steroids.

The popularity of Proviron amongst bodybuilders has been increasing in recent years. Many experienced bodybuilders have in fact come to swear by it, incorporating it effectively in most markedly estrogenic cycles. Due to high demand Proviron is now very easy to obtain on the black market. Most versions will be manufactured by Schering, and should cost about $1-$2 per 25 mg tab. This drug is packaged in both push-through strips and small glass vials, so do not let this alarm you. There is currently no need to worry about authenticity with this drug, as no counterfeits are known to exist. If money and availability does not prevent it, Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin ares actually a much better choice than Proviron though. These drugs were designed specifically as an anti-aromatase, and works much more effectively than anything else we have available.
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You have awnser the question, Decrease HPTA function: No , But being a dht derivate i´m afraid that will bring me acne, so im taking out the proviron, and add some testo(250mg/w Enat. Testo).
Thank´

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[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
Biohazard_pt wrote:
for what i know, proviron at 50mg/day dosn´t affect the HPTA, i take to make a bridge on my sex drive, and during the cycle as well.

hey, if it works for you than it works…who am i to judge? i do think it’s a bad idea, and will attach a drug profile of Proviron to try and explain myslef better.

I think the common arguement is that Proviron is slightly suppressive and ANY suppression is not good during PCT, I don’t believe it to be so on the overall picture, but given that it may be and obviously is going to have some sort of suppression to a slight degree is why I think that the tapering and allowing a week without it for recovery is plenty for complete recovery.

Plus the fact that most people finish PCT while they still have that ever so little suppression taking place from the long-esters, hampering complete recovery more than likely given different aas. The recovery from any suppression that the Proviron might cause is going to be rather easy as it should only ever so slightly reduce LH, a few days of PCT to be safe should be fine.

Here’s a piece from another profile that fits into my thoughts a bit:

“…let´s talk about how Proviron affects your HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis)& the thing that regulates the male hormonal system. When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive “bridge” between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8).
6. The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.
8. Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.
10. The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study). Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.”
[/quote]

interesing-i stand corrected.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I find it ironic that you are worried about acne, since the only drug that has ever given me acne (well boils, to be precise)is… EQ, lol.

However everyone is different when it comes to acne, I find. Some get it when they start a cycle, others get it when they stop. SOme get it from test and others from masteron.

You could always try the proviron for a week or two and see how you personally respond. Since it is an oral, once you stop, so should the side-effects, within a few days.

However if EQ gives you acne (I’m not saying it definitely will), you’re screwed since you will have to live with that for months as the ester clears.[/quote]

You are the fist person that to say it. So i presume that you run EQ alone to affirm that will give you acne.But this is me thinking, if eq is a more anabolic drug, how can do you acne?Eq aromatase in to DHB and it does not have to much affinity whit human receptors.
But evrybody responds different do the substances, i react bay with DHT derivatives an testo itself.