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My Hockey Team Trainer

The guy who trains my hockey team this winter has been brainwashed by ACE and I was wondering how I could bring up/change his ways without being an asshole or offending the guy.

I mean there’s obviously a lot of good information to be had on elitefts, but how can I tell him that crap needs to change?

Here are some of the problems:
-Doing sprints and jump drills on pavement (ouch I know!)
-An obsession with the “core” and training abs for endurance.
-His “assistant” didn’t even know what a snatch was when I asked him.

his site is:

the training isn’t awful, but my knees are already bothering me from the damn pavement! And there’s a 110% chance if I tell my head coach or anyone else that pavement sucks they’ll say “suck it up”

What are some solutions to my dilema?

Aren’t you the dude who, after Mike Boyle’s first T-Mag article, wrote: “Looks a bit paranoid about injuries. If you’re training to get good, you have to lay it on the line. People get hurt in practice and you know, once in a while, they get hurt in the weightroom.”

What happened? Why are you afraid to put it on the line?

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Aren’t you the dude who, after Mike Boyle’s first T-Mag article, wrote: “Looks a bit paranoid about injuries. If you’re training to get good, you have to lay it on the line. People get hurt in practice and you know, once in a while, they get hurt in the weightroom.”

What happened? Why are you afraid to put it on the line?[/quote]

hahahahaha, that was good.

To OP: are there any areas for sprints and plyos that have a more giving surphase where you train?

If not, I doubt they will do anything about it. If there are other posibilities, why not just tell him your problem? They’d probably change it if there are other options.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Aren’t you the dude who, after Mike Boyle’s first T-Mag article, wrote: “Looks a bit paranoid about injuries. If you’re training to get good, you have to lay it on the line. People get hurt in practice and you know, once in a while, they get hurt in the weightroom.”

What happened? Why are you afraid to put it on the line?[/quote]

I guess you feel like a big man since you spent the time to find that quote and post it here.

Fine, it might have been a dumb comment, but I was mature enough to get over it.

The fact is that someone should still buy Boyle some anit-bacterial gym suits that he can wear so he doesn’t risk getting sick in the gym. :wink:

I understand his priorities and I do respect him. And his training is obviously superior to many many coaches. I guess we fail to realize how fortunate we are even when we disagree with something…

You forgot to post your part in the equation. You wrote, “My hockey team”. Are you the coach? Regional manager? Owner? Mascot? Zombie?

My advice to you is simply to do whatever you feel needs to be done, ACE coach be damned. Set the lead and others will follow. Or you’ll get kicked off the team. One of the two.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
You forgot to post your part in the equation. You wrote, “My hockey team”. Are you the coach? Regional manager? Owner? Mascot? Zombie?

My advice to you is simply to do whatever you feel needs to be done, ACE coach be damned. Set the lead and others will follow. Or you’ll get kicked off the team. One of the two.[/quote]

I’m an athlete on the team. I’m supossed to trust these trainers…

Athletes pay this guy money for that crap?

It’s regurgitated Peter Twist stuff - all of which will be pretty much refuted when my thesis results come out.

Direct quote from my master’s thesis write-up:

Note: some coaches actually do tons of research (to the tune of 91 references in this article) rather just buying a DVD and a BOSU ball because it’s convenient for a facility.

Full references:

  1. VERHAGEN, E., A. VAN DER BEEK, J. TWISK, L. BOUTER, R. BAHR, AND W. VAN MECHELEN. The effect of a proprioceptive balance board training program for the prevention of ankle sprains: a prospective controlled trial. Am J Sports Med. 32(6):1385-93. 2004.

  2. SODERMAN, K., S. WERNER, T. PIETILA, B.ENGSTROM, AND H. ANDREDSON. Balance board training: prevention of traumatic injuries of the lower extremities in female soccer players? A prospective randomized intervention study. Knee Surg Sports Traumatol Arthrosc. 8(6):356-63. 2000.

  3. KONRADSEN, L. Factors Contributing to Chronic Ankle Instability: Kinesthesia and Joint Position Sense. J Athl Train. 37(4):381-385. 2002.

Plyos on concrete aren’t such a good idea, but the rest of his training programs aren’t helping, either.

[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Athletes pay this guy money for that crap?

It’s regurgitated Peter Twist stuff - all of which will be pretty much refuted when my thesis results come out.[/quote]

I thought you said you were viewing instability training more favorably, or am I mistaken?

When will your thesis be published?

Oops. I got caught in the post lag.
I guess I was mistaken.

[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Athletes pay this guy money for that crap?

It’s regurgitated Peter Twist stuff - all of which will be pretty much refuted when my thesis results come out.[/quote]

Not the Peter Twist of the Canucks? Ouch!

I am from Vancouver, that’s all.

I have been training kids in Vball, Bball, soccer and hockey for the past couple of years. Not a big fan of that type of training…maybe if the Canucks make the playoffs this year…hmmmm.

[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Athletes pay this guy money for that crap?

It’s regurgitated Peter Twist stuff - all of which will be pretty much refuted when my thesis results come out.[/quote]

Are you sure? It looks pretty tough…

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Eric Cressey wrote:
Athletes pay this guy money for that crap?

It’s regurgitated Peter Twist stuff - all of which will be pretty much refuted when my thesis results come out.

Are you sure? It looks pretty tough…[/quote]

I don’t know what’s worse, the “NBA” player curling, or that he’s doing it on a bosu ball!

he’s also updated his site recently, and for those of you wondering how he trains his pro hockey players you can check it out here:
http://www.aboutfuturefitness.com/PGHainseyandJohnson.html