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My First Cycle


#1

Hi guys

A little about me first, I am 175cm just over 79kg and I have been training for over 6 years now and am 27years old. I have competed in a few small powerlifting comps in the past year. I love lifting and train very hard. My diet is good with macros in check. If I had any issue with my diet it is that I could eat more. When I compete I usually try and drop to around 75kg to be in that weight class.

I plan to do a steroid cycle in the next few months. I have been against steroids for so long and see a lot of people in the gym, come in blow up take a few pics and never see them again. I understand that steroids work, I have seen beginners get big and strong in short periods of time.

The reason I am looking to do this is due to injury. I have torn my ACL twice and my cartilige 3 times. I have had the ACL repaired once 7 years ago using a graft (my hamstring) but tore it again 18months ago. I had surgery in January 2014 to have both repaired but the surgeon didn't repair the ACL and just did the cartilige (I'll not get into that).

So now I have hurt my knee again and I will have to take a few weeks off training. I am still debating if I should get the surgery again then do the cycle or do the cycle build the muscles around my knee up as much as possible and if that doesn't work I will get the surgery. The problem with the surgery is that I will lose my other hamstring unless I get a donor ACL (from a dead donor) which is not financially possible.

The cycle I would be looking to do would be a test base with MAYBE Dianabol or Winstrol. I would run the test for 8-10 weeks and the Dianabol and/or Winstrol for the first 6. I would not go over 400mg per week on test. Maybe go with test enanthate or test cypionate as they are long estered compounds with a longer half life which would mean less injections.

My other option would be sustonon for 8 weeks at 400mg split mon and thur. I do worry about how I would react to a cycle in terms of gyno and my hpta. I will have an AI and nolva on hand also. I have researched a lot over the past year or 2 and know that more is definitely not better when it comes to these compounds. I will run nolva as pct.

Is there anything I am missing guys or any advice that you's can give me? Anything will be hugely appreciated.


#2

Don’t cycle for a while yet. Get that knee sorted first. You’ll just hurt it even worse.


#3

I would wait to be honest. Test can slow down the process of joint repair. As well as winny can really dry out your joints.


#4

Hi guys

I’m thinking of a cycle with no orals…

Just want your opinion. Knee won’t go through surgery for at least 2 years if at all.

Do a test E cycle with HCG and GH peptides 10-12 weeks??

I have been training for over 9 months with no problem with the knee and a week ago the joint opened slightly and it swole pretty bad. Feels ok again but know there is an underlaying issue there. Had 2 operations in the past and they were very unsuccessful. Long story but the same surgeon done both surgeries and ended up worse off both times. I have now been referred onto another surgeon in another city but cannot afford to take time off work financially and I have my own wedding next year.

There is 3 options I have… I use my other hamstring from my good knee in the surgery and lift the rest of my life with no hamstring in either leg… Or I use the patella tendon and it takes a year to recover and weakens the bad knee even more. 3rd option and one I would jump at is, I speak to the surgeon and ask for a donor acl to use in the surgery (this is highly highly unlikely). I honestly have lost all confidence in surgeons. One specialist told me that if I have surgery this will pull the joint closer together and will end up in quicker deterioration (arthritis). To be honest I think this is b*ullshit.


#5

No hamstrings? Wtf


#6

i don’t think AAS/hGH is gonna fix your knees the way you’re hoping…


#7

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
No hamstrings? Wtf[/quote]

Yea mate sadly part of the operation 8 years ago I was told I need my ACL more than my hamstring (you would be surprised how common this is) sadly in the long run it was a bad choice as it tore or loosened it again.

I have been training years like this. From what I have read hgh will help with recovery but I know it won’t repair the ACL, only surgery will completely repair it. As I said before surgery is not an option as this will weaken my other joint as they will have to remove the other hamstring and I have had 2 real poor surgeries done in the past which the surgeon admitted he did wrong (not going into this).

Caught between a rock and a hard place but think I am going to try this cycle.

Guys you may call me stupid and naive but I have run out of options. I had to retire from football, boxing and tennis at the age of 25 and now found powerlifting. I can’t give this up and wait 2 years for surgery this is a huge part of my life and I can’t have something else like this taken away.

I am not looking for sympathy and I know gladly that I won’t get it here.

I have competed in powerlifting with this injury and want to carry on doing this. Maybe I am making a bad choice and maybe my decision was born from anger but I have worked ridiculously hard to stabilise the knee over the past year and even the years before the surgery last january.

Cheers


#8

I would go with short esters… If u feel it just getting worse u can stop the cycle and run pct… I should add that i dont think a cycle will fix anything but you might feel better with having done it, instead of wondering for years if it might have helped.


#9

I really don’t think it’s a good idea for you to do a cycle mate. Sounds like you’ll just hurt yourself


#10

[quote]Yogi wrote:
I really don’t think it’s a good idea for you to do a cycle mate. Sounds like you’ll just hurt yourself[/quote]

Is it really such a bad idea? I have trained and competed without any steroid use before.

My reasoning may sound crazy but I don’t see what other option I have. 2 poor surgeries have left my knee weak and what I feel to be right is to build as much muscle around my knee to stabilise it including the small muscles which need improved.

This is a quicker fix than what I have been doing. I have trained 6 days a week for the past 9 months and before the surgery I trained 6 days a week for 4 or 5 years. I can confidently squat 200kg with no problem.

I am here for advice of course and would like to hear why it’s such a bad idea when, from my research HGH will help with not only the muscle but tendons, cartilige and bone also. My intention is this, I understand that if my muscle grows on its own at such a rapid rate my body may not be able to hold the extra mass as well as it does now and this could leave me in a worse state. HGH will help as it will help the tendons and tissue grow to counteract this.

Be honest is this a crazy idea? Should I just wait the 2 years and train at 70% for the next 2 years also tell me honestly what you would do in my situation?


#11

[quote]peanut17 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
I really don’t think it’s a good idea for you to do a cycle mate. Sounds like you’ll just hurt yourself[/quote]

Is it really such a bad idea? I have trained and competed without any steroid use before.

My reasoning may sound crazy but I don’t see what other option I have. 2 poor surgeries have left my knee weak and what I feel to be right is to build as much muscle around my knee to stabilise it including the small muscles which need improved.

This is a quicker fix than what I have been doing. I have trained 6 days a week for the past 9 months and before the surgery I trained 6 days a week for 4 or 5 years. I can confidently squat 200kg with no problem.

I am here for advice of course and would like to hear why it’s such a bad idea when, from my research HGH will help with not only the muscle but tendons, cartilige and bone also. My intention is this, I understand that if my muscle grows on its own at such a rapid rate my body may not be able to hold the extra mass as well as it does now and this could leave me in a worse state. HGH will help as it will help the tendons and tissue grow to counteract this.

Be honest is this a crazy idea? Should I just wait the 2 years and train at 70% for the next 2 years also tell me honestly what you would do in my situation?[/quote]

HGH will absolutely help, but I’d stay away from actual AAS.


#12

So after nearly a year I decided not to do any of the above options.

Worked hard and got diet in check and I feel better than ever.

Great advice and exactly what I needed to hear when I was doing this cycle in anger.

Knee feels good now and I think I could build it more and maybe look at AAS with 5 or 6 more years under my belt