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My First Cycle Log with Sus

Ok guys, I thought I would throw together a log on my first cycle to get feedback/ inform anyone who cares to follow it. I am running 540 mg of sus per week for 10 weeks ancillaries include nolva and adex. I will be doing 2 injections mon and thurs… I know what you are thinking I need to dose every other day, but according to my research on the compound and the esters I found that 2 per week will keep me stable.
Started first dose on thurs morning to get it in my system for my new routine I am starting this week.

here are my opening stats:
6’3
247lbs
15.8% bf
I will post my opening measurements later when I have my sheet in front of me.

thursday: first dose 270 mg finished my workout week with arms and delts nothing major to report.
Monday: second dose 270 mg. started my german volume workout today, I have never done one so it was a bit rough.
Supplements pre-workout include:
6mg of aakg
3mg glutamine
25 mg of mahung leaf and 150mg of caffiene (1 thermogenic pill)
15 grams dextrose (carbs)
2 cups of skim milk (carbs & pro)
25 mg of whey protein
5mg of creatine
1 anti-oxidant pill
1tbsp of mct oil

so today I started the german volume with lats and pecs. did 10 sets of 10 reps flat dumbbell press superseted with 10 sets of 10 reps on weighted pull ups.

My eyes were a bit bigger than my muscles because on my first set of dumbbell press I grabed the 120’s because I thought if I can do 15 of them I should feel real good with only 10. after the first set I dropped to 100 even because I felt as if I was jumping in a liitle too much lol. I did 100 lb dumbbels 5 sets for 10 reps and got a spotter for my last 5 sets while superseting 10 weighted pull-ups with a 25 lb weight for 10 sets.

I finished these 2 workouts and had a bad ass pump and did 3 sets of 12 incline cable fly superseted with cable rows 3 sets of 12. Finished the workout in about an 1.5 hrs. I would have liked it to be more like an 1.25 hrs but I was beat and needed a little recovery rest towards the end of the workout. Tomarrow will be my leg day and I will post results on thursday.

My workout split will be 3 days on 1 day off 3 days on 1 day off (3 day double split). I will wait to see how I feel and may give my self 2 days off in between. I am not a hard gainer by anymeans and am more of a mesomorph so my recover is ussually very good.

post workout nutrition include:
glucosamine
5 mg of creatine (will be lower intake of this tomarrow to 5 mg post workout and none the rest of day)
3 mg of aakg
3 mg of glucosamine
25mg whey protein
15mg of dextrose
2 cups skim milk
banana
tbsp of peanut butter
2 tbsp of flax seeds

I will be consuming 3-4 dozen egg whites weekly with a few yellows here and there. my mornings I will have a cup of oats with 1/2 cup of blueberries mixed in. before bed I will drink a protein shake with milk and will add:
3mg glucosamine
3mg aakg
3mg of GABA (hgh stimulation which i love, makes me very sleepy and wild dreams)
1/3 of a dose of zma
I will be eating every 2.5 hrs daily.

Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

I just read your other thread. It’s as if you read what people posted and thought to yourself, “Oh well, I’m going to do it my own retarded way anyways.”

Don’t worry about updating this ‘log.’

I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you

I will likely go to a mon/wed/fri proticol starting today since its my first week to play it safe.

keep us updated ni-xplode.

[quote]The bottom line is that below 750mg or so of long acting ester, sustanon makes somewhat of a difference compared with another long acting ester. The less frequently you take your sustanon, the more difference it makes. In this case, less is more because the half-life of sustanon is around ten days which is more than enanthate or cypionate.

If you do not have a huge amount of long acting test (>750mg per week) in your system, you will probably notice increased benefits from a blend such as sust. If not, opt for the cheaper long acting esters and you will have the same amount of blood level build-up after two weeks or so.

A rather silly practice that many individuals do is to inject sust every other day or so. The thought is that you will take advantage of the quick acting propionate each time you do this. This is false and goes against modern science of drug depot action. The prop may be metabolized by three days or so, but the three other longer acting esters of test in sust are still releasing. As long as you have some in your system releasing, you are in the safe zone with regards to anabolic effects from the drug. [/quote]

That is a poorly written article, with no date to show when it was written.

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

This is the internet, kid. If you’re going to do silly things, you’re going to get assholes who post in your threads.

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.[/quote]
I agree with the EOD approach for sustanon but lets be realist here. There is thirty measly mg of prop in SUSTANON I really doubt that the difference 0f 30mg (12%) of his dose will be that drastic. Like I said, would i advise, EOD approach, yes, but dont be a douche of something so trivial.

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.[/quote]
I agree with the EOD approach for sustanon but lets be realist here. There is thirty measly mg of prop in SUSTANON I really doubt that the difference 0f 30mg (12%) of his dose will be that drastic. Like I said, would i advise, EOD approach, yes, but dont be a douche of something so trivial.
[/quote]

IMO, your understanding of why what he is doing isn’t all that bad and his understanding is much different.

I also realize it isn’t that high of a prop dose, and isn’t much of a big deal. What I don’t understand, is why someone wouldn’t want to do things the best way possible for their bodies.

Could it be that needles are too expensive? No, they’re cheep.

Scared of injecting? Probably not, he’s agreeing to do it 3x/week. What is .5x/week more?

Has to hide it from a significant other? Maybe, but it takes <5 minutes to inject. “Honey, I have to poop; I’ll be in the bathroom.”

So maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t really see a reason here to NOT inject EOD.

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.[/quote]
I agree with the EOD approach for sustanon but lets be realist here. There is thirty measly mg of prop in SUSTANON I really doubt that the difference 0f 30mg (12%) of his dose will be that drastic. Like I said, would i advise, EOD approach, yes, but dont be a douche of something so trivial.
[/quote]

IMO, your understanding of why what he is doing isn’t all that bad and his understanding is much different.

I also realize it isn’t that high of a prop dose, and isn’t much of a big deal. What I don’t understand, is why someone wouldn’t want to do things the best way possible for their bodies.

Could it be that needles are too expensive? No, they’re cheep.

Scared of injecting? Probably not, he’s agreeing to do it 3x/week. What is .5x/week more?

Has to hide it from a significant other? Maybe, but it takes <5 minutes to inject. “Honey, I have to poop; I’ll be in the bathroom.”

So maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t really see a reason here to NOT inject EOD.
[/quote]
All fair points.

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.[/quote]
I agree with the EOD approach for sustanon but lets be realist here. There is thirty measly mg of prop in SUSTANON I really doubt that the difference 0f 30mg (12%) of his dose will be that drastic. Like I said, would i advise, EOD approach, yes, but dont be a douche of something so trivial.
[/quote]

I agree…

I ran sustanon twice per week and had no problems.

However, I might suggest doing 3x per week for the first couple weeks… to give more stable levels until the long esters have built up in the system. After the long esters have built up, the fluctuation shouldn’t be significant enough to cause any problems… it would be one thing if you were running only prop.

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.[/quote]
I agree with the EOD approach for sustanon but lets be realist here. There is thirty measly mg of prop in SUSTANON I really doubt that the difference 0f 30mg (12%) of his dose will be that drastic. Like I said, would i advise, EOD approach, yes, but dont be a douche of something so trivial.
[/quote]

IMO, your understanding of why what he is doing isn’t all that bad and his understanding is much different.

I also realize it isn’t that high of a prop dose, and isn’t much of a big deal. What I don’t understand, is why someone wouldn’t want to do things the best way possible for their bodies.

Could it be that needles are too expensive? No, they’re cheep.

Scared of injecting? Probably not, he’s agreeing to do it 3x/week. What is .5x/week more?

Has to hide it from a significant other? Maybe, but it takes <5 minutes to inject. “Honey, I have to poop; I’ll be in the bathroom.”

So maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t really see a reason here to NOT inject EOD.
[/quote]

Speaking from personal and anecdotal experience, the difference between twice per week and 3x per week can be significant in a first cycle due to the injection locations. While for experienced users it’s easy to inject quads or delts, a lot of first timers like to switch glutes or switch quads… 3x per week requires them to be able to inject another muscle area.

Especially my first cycle… my friend was injecting my glutes. to have to do my own quads then would be impossible… now it’s easy :smiley:

[quote]kayveeay wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Please post links to the research that makes you think 2x/week will provide stable levels.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait.[/quote]

[quote]ni-xplode wrote:
I will update my log and here is a link www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/sustanon.html
and don’t come into my log talking down to me wih words like retarded. Thank you[/quote]

Also, that link does not show research showing 2x/week will provide stable levels.[/quote]
I agree with the EOD approach for sustanon but lets be realist here. There is thirty measly mg of prop in SUSTANON I really doubt that the difference 0f 30mg (12%) of his dose will be that drastic. Like I said, would i advise, EOD approach, yes, but dont be a douche of something so trivial.
[/quote]

IMO, your understanding of why what he is doing isn’t all that bad and his understanding is much different.

I also realize it isn’t that high of a prop dose, and isn’t much of a big deal. What I don’t understand, is why someone wouldn’t want to do things the best way possible for their bodies.

Could it be that needles are too expensive? No, they’re cheep.

Scared of injecting? Probably not, he’s agreeing to do it 3x/week. What is .5x/week more?

Has to hide it from a significant other? Maybe, but it takes <5 minutes to inject. “Honey, I have to poop; I’ll be in the bathroom.”

So maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t really see a reason here to NOT inject EOD.
[/quote]

Speaking from personal and anecdotal experience, the difference between twice per week and 3x per week can be significant in a first cycle due to the injection locations. While for experienced users it’s easy to inject quads or delts, a lot of first timers like to switch glutes or switch quads… 3x per week requires them to be able to inject another muscle area.

Especially my first cycle… my friend was injecting my glutes. to have to do my own quads then would be impossible… now it’s easy :smiley:
[/quote]

Not everyone is a complete pussy though… Just sayin.

How is the sus running?