The final posting issues due to the massive, often-referred thread were enough to start an easier to manage discussion. Credit to KingIndy for the suggestion.
This thread as a whole has become a wealth of information and supportive discussion for those interested in utilizing or experimenting with the Anabolic Diet.
Thank you for taking the initiative to get us on a manageable thread.
From what Iāve read, monounsaturated is actually better, but the ratio of saturated to polyunsaturated is important as wellā¦ meaning more saturated to polyunsaturated is correlated to higher T levels.
I actually donāt mind olive oil, put it in your shake, the taste mostly disappears. Natural peanut butter is another great option thoughā¦ only 3 net carbs to deal with for 2 tbsp while you get 13g of monounsaturated.
Getting your BioSig done is pretty simple. You go to the poliquin website and use their online search function to find someone close to where you are.
From there on, it took just one phone call to set it up. The guy came home, (offered to come to my office!), took the measurements asked some questions about how I train, nutrition plan etc.
I got my results that night. (time may vary of course).
THESE WERE ALL TAKEN THE MORNING AFTER MY CARB-DAY
Indy, I used EVOO today in my shake. It wasnāt bad, but I only really hate the direct taste of olive oil. I hate imbibing JUST oil to begin with, but the unique taste of olive oil Iāve really learned to dislike.
Mixed in water itās not that bad, though. I never thought to look at my peanut butter fat ratios. I started looking at various things last night, but EVERY single thing I was interested in only listed total and trans fat content.
So, what youāre suggesting yields an optimal balance in the concept of the ratio, 1:2:3 (rough for simplicity) being polys:saturates:monos?
Evil, thatās pretty impressive. Those measurements look good, too. Do you have any pictures I could see? Also, Iād like you to talk about the price of the analysis. Great how convenient it seems!
On the topic of fats, would somebody provide a list of healthy fats to easily add calories onto the AD? I realize to fully adapt, many calories need to come from fat and lean meats, fish, cheese, etc. donāt have enough. Maybe provide an example of the amount of daily fats during a weekday (fish oils, heavy cream, EVOO, butter). Thanks.
Monounsaturated
Olive Oil
Almonds - other nuts
Natural Peanut Butter
Saturated
Beef
Whole Cheese
Combination
Eggs
Does that help? If you want to be really clean about it these are the best but there are many more optionsā¦ polyunsaturated with omega 3ās do limit you. Buy omega 3 eggs, omega 3 peanut butter(flax oil added) and get plenty of fish oil first, flax oil second.
Thanks KI, Iām gonna save that post for when I actually start the AD in a few weeks. Just winding down the Velocity Diet now and have seen some pretty fantastic resutls. 195 ā 184 after 3 weeksā¦well on the way to a good summer cut.
Iām guessing the lack of other meats listed above means white meats (pork, chicken) are low in sat. fats? Where would dairy fats fall here? Mostly saturated?
Pork can be high in saturated fats, but pork also has a huge range of types of meats and cuts. Pork PRODUCTS are typically quite unhealthy due to added cures, preservatives, flavorings, etc.
Poultry and fish are quite low in saturated fats, even something like chicken thighs. None of it really compares to lamb and beef.
Dairy is thought to typically be saturated. Most animal fats will have a high percentage of saturates while plant sources hardly ever seem to be saturated.
I think it may be beneficial if you all tried grouping members by weightā¦decide whose made the best results in given area and then the group can have a ballpark calorie/ratio scheme
Iām currently reading through the discussion thread for the Get Shredded Diet to scout out any tips and troubleshooting.
One thing that kind of hit me was the low protein. 120-140g on my diet? Thatās not even my bodyweightā¦ I ALSO had just read that Protein Cycling article last night in which the author attempts to cycle periods of what we would call ānormal protein intakeā with like, 40g/day kinds of intake to elicit a druglike effect. As far as Iāve read in the thread, JB hasnāt clarified anything on the protein, but it is sinking in that this could very well be the reason my AD cutting has been so stupidly ineffective. My protein has been typically very high.
I plan to modify my ADing into the Get Shredded plan using a breakdown of 40g C, 100g fat, 140g P each day (give or take) to give me about 1600 cals. Last night I calculated just over 1900 and I was hungry as all hell thinking, āgod damn, and Iām still 300 over.ā
My biggest change will essentially be ditching the red meat except for maybe a meal a day. Chicken, EVOO, and broccoliā¦here come the old-school bodybuilding diets.
Iāll be sure to let you guys know how the next week goes because dropping my protein intake (if that is indeed my problem) should elicit an immediate change I think.
Do you guys have any recommendations on using HOT-ROX Extreme? I have a bottle, but I donāt want to use it until Iāve āfigured this outā, so as to maximize its efficacy. I was also thinking, once I do bring it in, perhaps I could cycle it and make observations week to week like Berardi suggested (but without the use of a weaker supplement).
Do you guys have any recommendations on using HOT-ROX Extreme? I have a bottle, but I donāt want to use it until Iāve āfigured this outā, so as to maximize its efficacy. I was also thinking, once I do bring it in, perhaps I could cycle it and make observations week to week like Berardi suggested (but without the use of a weaker supplement).[/quote]
JB recommends taking 3 HRX during the breakfast, lunch, and dinner mealsā¦but the bottle says take 2 pills twice a day on an empty stomach. I prefer the latter method because HRX that late in the day (dinner) interferes with sleep. I take 2 first thing in the morning with BCAAs and then do my fasted cardio before breakfast. The second dose I take 6hr after the first, so never after 1pm, on an empty stomach.
Get shredded is soooo calorie restrictive, it definitely looks painful! I wish you luck and success on it. Thank god for the refeed days!
For GSD reg. HOT-ROX are used that often FYI. Iāve been on GSD while using Meltdown II as my trainingā¦I lost a lot of everything. I like the Velocity diet a lot betterā¦Maybe its the supplements that are keeping me together but GSD just didnāt work for me. Also I believe I tried GSD after a not so glorious attempt at dropping weight so again my thyroid/metabolism etc. was probably dead at this time
Ok so Iāve decided to hit up the AD againā¦while adhering to Berardiās 10 habits. Which will be easy and will fit the AD guidelines as well. And Iāll keep cheat meals to 10%/week. So on my carb ups thatāll give me 2 cheats on both Saturday and Sunday, the rest clean! My only ice is that I still have W/O fuel and Surge left so I think Iāll use the rest of those up when I bulk and then transition back onto the AD train. Alright, so my second 12 day-induction should be cake as Iāll be coming off the Velocity Dietā¦so in one month Iāll be here everyday or so instead of there
Awesome Max, Iāve been very interested to see unpublished blood profile changes from this diet.
Good to have another head aboard, BK.
Just so I know, is anyone also trying to follow Get Shredded in conjunction with this right now?
I took in about 1600 cal yesterday, and it sucked a lot, but after starving myself I fortunately realized I still had a comfortable amount of food left to bring in. The mirror looked alright today, I was kind of impressed.
Iām beginning to think that my hopes of dieting down at my ātypical BF% rangeā in a āhealthy, comfortableā manner are just unrealistic and my fat doesnāt start coming off until I shock my body into something horrible.
Once again, this whole diminished protein intake is VERY interesting to me. I absolutely hate the chains we are bound by from the psychological fear of losing muscle. Itās not like it doesnāt happen, but those of us who have never experienced it and are coming up from skinny bodies rather than FFB bodies let it control us.
Any experimentation with diminished protein is deemed suicidal for your physique because weāre conditioned to be so scared to lose our hard work.
This is just a thought, but I think it would be nice if someone were to leave this thread due to leaving the dietary practice, if they would post one final time, summarizing their impressions of the diet, the pros, cons, and troubles they had and how they did or didnāt fix them.