My Big F'in Mouth

i also like to point out that this should be for the long term, do not do these drugs and slide back to your fat self.

other things to do are use milk thistle, to aid liver recovery, red rice yeast for cholesterol. tons of antioxidants and water when on dnp.

in respect to the other bros i feel my advice will give you the best chance to get an underwear model look(medium frame but shredded which you indicate you want), allow manageable and keepable gains that won’t take huge amounts of work to keep, and for what it’s worth some measures that try to insure longevity not just a peak.

i have used clenbuterol. i advise against it’s use as it has shown in studies to kill(necrosis) heart tissue.
meaning long term damage and potential for heart disease such as chronic heart failure.

that is another thing i recommend before any type of drug use. 12point ekg lead. if your heart is already abnormal drug use is not for you. this includes caffeine or other stimulants.

dnp is serious stuff. most steroid users are deftly afraid of it. myself i have never touched it, and doubt i will. but i would use it over winny, over clen. it porduces tons of free radicals in the body. but it will give you the results you want and a base to build muscle on.

when finished with these drugs you will be able to keep the 6-20lbs of fat loss, keep your strength, keep your stronger tendons, keep the majority of your muscle gains and manage your health.

Hmm. Nice to hear from someone new. I’m curious where I can find info on how winny permanently weakens your tendons? IMO it’s a shitty drug and I’m not disagreeing just haven’t seen or read that to be a fact.

weeks 1-12: prop 75 mg ED or 150 mg EOD
weeks 1-8: tren 50 mg ED
weeks 7-12: var 40 mg ED

rotate ECA and HOT-ROX in the manner suggested. run an AI at a very moderate dose E3D. eat clean.

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I agree with most of what you said. I don’t have problems with Winstrol but I guess it’s a personal decision. I do have a problem with your suggestion of DNP especially since you have never used it yourself. I would not touch the stuff or recommend it to anyone. Small miscalculation and you can die or permanently destroy your liver. I don?t think it?s worth it at all.

Here’s a long read and non-steroid type program if you don’t have a source. You can get most everything from a “research site”…good luck

So, now its summer time and everyone is looking to show off their bodies, but is your body yet ready to be shown off? Many people out there are probably on top of their game and are almost at their ideal “summer” physique. This article is not intended for this group, but for the group of people who got a little too carried away with their bulking phase and are now trying to drastically loose fat as fast as possible without loosing their hard earned muscle tissue. In this article I am going to discuss what I feel are some very good “natural” pharmaceuticals, and how to properly apply them to drastically accelerate your fat loss diet. Now before I get natural bodybuilders yelling at me for saying that being natural entitles NO pharmaceuticals, these are what I feel to be natural, and also I would consider these non-natural if you were to compete using them. This is an article for people looking to get lean for the summer, not for a tested competition.
Anything I mention in this article will not be worth a damn if your diet is not properly in order, and your calories while dieting with these tricks should probably be even lower than a normal fat loss diet. I won’t discuss nutritional practices in this article due to the fact that if you are willing to try some methods I discuss in this article your diet should already be on point as it is. The one thing I do recommend is to keep your protein intake at around 2g per pound of bodyweight, and your calories decently low.
They should be in the range of 12 calories per pound of bodyweight, although they could be adjusted upward or downward depending on your metabolism and training/cardio regimen. This is as far as I will dive into the nutritional aspects due to the fact that this isn’t a nutritional fat loss article but more of an article discussing pharmaceutical tricks to aid your metabolism and fat loss efforts.
So lets get down to the main aspects of this article. I’m going to break up the content into three groups:
? Glucose disposal agents
? Metabolic Stimulators
? Anti-Estrogen’s
This may be extended into a 2 part series where I will discuss some of the non-natural aspects of dieting, but like I said that would be for a different article.

Glucose Disposal Agents

Glucose disposal agents do not play a direct role in fat loss, but act as an awesome aid in a fat loss diet. Many have probably heard or used some of the OTC (over the counter) glucose disposal agents such as, vanadyl sulfate with chromium, and ALA. Yes, these are all pretty decent glucose disposal agents due to the fact that they mimic and support the effects of insulin in the body, but they are not the best. My personal favorite is Glucophage, or by the trade name Metformin.
This drug heightens the body’s sensitivity to insulin, and is currently used to treat type 2 diabetes. For fat loss purposes Metformin is used in ketogenic diets to rapidly drop blood sugar to quickly induce ketosis. For a mixed ratio diet, Metformin would be used with carb meals insuring that the carbohydrates go to muscle tissue over fat, this is a great addition to a high sugar post workout meal.
Additionally, due to the fact that it controls insulin levels in the body, it also greatly reduces hunger in between meals. Metformin is very beneficial in that it heightens insulin sensitivity, which is very good due to the fact that most Americans are insulin insensitive. This over production of insulin which insulin insensitivity causes can lead to weight gain and also various other health problems. Now, the best way to use Metformin would be to take 2000-3000mg divided up with meals. On a moderate carb diet, you could split up the dose and take it only with your carb meals.
If you follow a CKD (cyclic ketogenic diet) type diet, the best way to use it would be with your weekend carb up, which would follow the same schedule as above. Metformin is not needed during the week, but if you like the appetite suppressing effects that it gives you, you can also use it during the week. Another thing you can do on a CKD is to have a small amount of fast acting carbs (around 40-50g) after your workout with Metformin. This will not cause you to drop out of ketosis due to the fact that the Metformin will quickly shuttle the carbohydrates into the muscle cells while still running on ketones.

Metabolic Stimulaters

This is a given, I mean really, who uses a fat loss diet with out incorporating a thermo like ECA? Not too many people do, with all the fat loss ECA stacks on the market these days. Now don’t get me wrong I think ECA is very good for fat loss, but the “optimal” fat loss combo would have to be T-3 (mostly known as Cytomel and Cynomel) and Clenbuterol. Yes, these two drugs are illegal, but not too hard to find with a little research. T-3 is a great drug whether you are natural or not, you just have to adjust your dosage accordingly and also supplement your diet with high levels of protein.
Don’t get me wrong, this drug is extremely powerful, I mean its straight thyroid (you can feel it pretty quickly) and also dangerous when not used correctly, let me repeat that, very dangerous! T-3 greatly enhances your metabolic rate which slows down as your body fat and calories get lower, which means you don’t have to drop calories extremely low towards the end of your diet. It also works synergistically with Clenbuterol, and keeps the effect of the drug longer.
Everyone thinks that you have to be on gear to use T-3 due to the “wasting effects”, this is bunk. If you use a suitable dosage which (for a natural) would be somewhere between 50mcg-100mcg in divided dosages, and someone on gear could use upwards of 150mcg or more depending on bodyweight.
On T-3 you CANNOT develop the more is better mentality due to the fact that number one, you will burn up all your muscle tissue, and number two, you could potentially screw up your metabolism for the rest of your life, I think number two catches peoples attention. Also every one talks about the “T-3 crash” when you discontinue using it, this is also false due to the fact that most of the people who talk about this normally go back to a bulking diet after the finish, of course your going to gain fat back if you do that!
The best way to come off would be to taper down and when coming of (due to the sluggishness of your metabolism) resume you diet plan for 4-6 weeks after, then start to slowly add calories back in until you are at your normal level. To cycle T-3, I would start with 25mg for the first week, 50mcg the second, 75mcg the third, (you could go up to 100mcg if you feel your body needs it) then stay at that dose for 2 weeks, then taper down by 25mcg per week until you are off. Again this is a dangerous drug when not used correctly, and you have to know your body very well (diet wise) to avoid muscle loss, which could occur.
Clenbuterol is similar to the effects of Ephedrine, but I feel they are much better and also it is less harsh (side effects). The proper way to use this is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off (ECA would be used on the off weeks). Dosages range from 60mcg per day to 180mcg per day, but again this is very individual due to the fact that people experience side effects at different dosages. Clenbuterol’s effects are very profound on body composition, users commonly report overall fat loss and a hardening to the physique very quickly. I feel this drug works very well in two-week intervals. Again like T-3, I would start off at 60mcg per day and taper up by 20mcg per day until you are at your desired dosage, I really don’t feel you have to taper off of this drug, but some do. Also if you are not a first time user you can start off at the dosage you normally use and run that through out, but if not taper up to find out the effects it has on your body.
Also, take your daily dosages before 3-4 due to the fact that it could cause some insomnia in some people when taken later. Another drug I would use (only on the weeks with the Clen) is Yohimbine HCL. This enhances the overall effects of Clen and T-3 by allowing the effects to last longer, and it also suppresses your appetite very well. The only downside to Yohimbine is that it is an anti diuretic and will make you hold some water while using it, but I feel it is worth it. Dosages are usually around 2-3 5mg tabs spread out with the Clen.


Most people have heard of Anti-E’s due to their role in a person’s steroid cycle. Anti-Estrogens are used to prevent gynocomastia (the formation of breast tissue) from steroids that aromatize and also reduce water retention. However, Anti-Estrogens can be also used for a host of other reasons, and in our case, fat loss. Estrogen is a “fattening” hormone, and if it is kept in check while dieting you can receive a hard look without even using anabolic steroids. If you don’t believe me, notice the body fat gain when a girl starts using birth control, this is caused by the increase in estrogen levels.
The best drugs for this effect would be Nolvadex (if you are not using anabolic drugs), or the much more powerful (but also very expensive) Arimidex and Femara. Dosages of Nolvadex are usually between 20mg and 40mg a day, Arimidex is usually 1/2mg to 1mg a day, and for Femara, one 2.5mg tab could be used ED or EOD. These could all be used by them self but you could stack Nolvadex with Arimidex or Femara due to the fact that Nolvadex and Arimidex both effect estrogen in the body differently.
These are very good for the natural dieter due to the fact that they will give you a hard (steroid) look, and they will also allow you to retain more muscle mass while dieting. For someone using Anabolic drugs during a fat loss cycle, they should be used regardless because of steroids aromatizing into estrogen, and also they will keep water down and give you a “dry” look.
So here they are, but how would you combine them for the best results? Lets put together a theoretical cycle using only the drugs mentioned in the article for someone who has used them before, for someone that has not, just taper like stated in the article.
Week 1-2
? 20mg of Nolvadex
? 60mcg of Clenbuterol upon wakening
? 50mcg of Cytomel
? 1 tab of Yohimbine around 30min after the Clen
? 25mcg of Cytomel
? 60mcg of Clenbuterol before 2-4 pm.
? 1 tab of Yohimbine around 30min after the Clen
? 2000mg of Metformin spread through out the day
Weeks 3-4
? Same as the previous weeks, but switch the Clen with ECA, if you want to you can also increase the Nolvadex to 40mg a day.
Weeks 5-6
? Drop the ECA and the Yohimbine, and taper down the dosage of T-3 by 25mcg each week, you can keep the Metformin the same or drop it if you want.
Weeks 7-10
Stay off all the drugs and keep your calories the same or slightly increase your carb intake (if you are on low carbs) to aid in your metabolism. During these weeks your metabolism will be sluggish, so watch your diet and keep up with your cardio, the diet isn’t over yet.