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Muscle Milk

I’ve always used Biotest Products… Some of my clients use Muscle Milk… What do you guys think about it?

Loaded with Fats and carbs of not so good sources. IMO you might as well go to Mccy D’s and buy a milk SHake.

Taste good, noit better then Grow! compareable but like I said above really what wouldnt be with the contents it has??

They are both quality proteins with MM having more fat.

Grow! tastes better

And depending on your goals, can be mixed in water and taste excellent`so you save on cals.

I was thinking about buying a tub of Muscle Milk. It has an excellent protein blend, tastes pretty good and has some fat in it to help me put on some more size. It’s faaaaar from a milkshake at McDickheads.

As everyone has said…it is LOADED with fats. like 17g per serving. Judging by what the local nutritionist say, probably isnt the best idea to mix that much fat with that many carbs

Muscle is great stuff. The price isn’t great in relation to the amount of product, but it is very good.

The fats in muscle milk are predominantly MCT’s. Just like not all proteins are created equal, MCT’s are quite healthy for you, and are great to incorporate into your diet. MCT’s are much tougher to obtain from natural sources than long chain sat. fats. That being said, its more of an MRP than straight protein powder. If you aren’t trying to gain mass, or if you eat high amounts of calories already, it may not be a great option.

It’s a whey casein blend, which is probably your best bet for a protein powder. I believe Grow! is also a blend (dont use it, not sure). Some studies have actually shown a negative protein balence in subjects supplemented with whey alone.

I beleive Biotest makes Mega Milk, which is essentially a cheaper version of Muscle Milk, even goes down to mostly the same amount per serving of protein (in a quality whey/casein blend) and 33% of vitamins and minerals (some of them quite trace, tough to get in our diets)

I recommend it (tastes rediculously good too), although the price is wrong Bob, the price is wrong.


MOD NOTE
Biotest does not make Mega Milk


Yep,Dymatize makes Mega Milk. I’m stupid. Either way, its probably a cheaper alternative to muscle milk. Mine hasnt quite come in yet, or I could tell you for sure if it’s just a better option.

mega milk is cheaper alternative to muscle milk…vanilla > chocolate though…

Grow! is actually less expensive than Muscle Milk, and is low carb and not loaded with fat. I find the taste comparable, however when you look at the fat content Grow! wins anyday.

Grow! is a better choice.

Badger Milk, nuff said.

i thought it tasted like liquid crap that was in the sun to long. but hey if that your things by it

Thanks for the great info guys… TGATL

Go to any farm supply store and see the ingredients of a good Calf Starter. Now look at Muscle Milk ingredients. It looks very similar to me. That being said, some people I know had great results with Muscle Milk.

I would listen to Dr. Lonnie Lowery on this one.

[quote]tall tom wrote:
Go to any farm supply store and see the ingredients of a good Calf Starter. Now look at Muscle Milk ingredients. It looks very similar to me. That being said, some people I know had great results with Muscle Milk.

I would listen to Dr. Lonnie Lowery on this one.[/quote]

Thanks, I do strong man activites and like to stay pretty lean. would it add to much of a bad bulk “fat” instead of good bulk "muscle??

I think the fat gain would be minimal if you stayed with in reason using it. If staying lean is a big issue, maybe go with the Low-Carb Grow! as suggested. If the potential of adding a couple isnt bad (I dont consider it to be a fattening product (look up the types of fats, etc), but it is more calories than a normal protein powder) I would go with something similar, muscle milk, mega milk, etc if you can. JMO.

[quote]reconyah wrote:
I think the fat gain would be minimal if you stayed with in reason using it. If staying lean is a big issue, maybe go with the Low-Carb Grow! as suggested. If the potential of adding a couple isnt bad (I dont consider it to be a fattening product (look up the types of fats, etc), but it is more calories than a normal protein powder) I would go with something similar, muscle milk, mega milk, etc if you can. JMO.[/quote]

Thanks, found the proof I was looking for… The reason Muscle Milk is high in fat is because the fat is made up of MCT…

MCT Info And Products
A Good Fat Source For Increase Energy

  1. What is it and where does it come from?

Medium chain triglycerides are fatty acids that are more easily digested by the body than other fats. MCT oil is composed of caprylic and capric fatty acids.

Caprylic acid is often removed from MCT oil and used for cosmetic purposes. It also goes by the name octanoic acid. Capric fatty acid is often used in food flavoring, and goes by the name of decanoic acid.

Fat molecules are structured in “chains.” As the name implies, Medium chain triglycerides are shorter than the long chain triglycerides. This makes them more easily digested than long chain triglycerides.

As the graphic illustrates, MCT’s have between 6 and 12 carbon atoms in their structure. Long chain triglycerides have more atoms in their composition. Because they have shorter chains than long chain triglycerides, the chain triglycerides are less calorically dense. Regular fat molecules have 9 calories per gram, whereas MCT molecules have only 8.3 calories per 1 gram.

Medium chain triglycerides are available in supplemental form, but dietary sources include: coconut oil, palm kernel oil, and butter. Medium chain triglyceride oil does not have any noticeable smell, is a liquid at room temperature, and has a slight yellowish color.

  1. What do they do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

Medium chain triglycerides are more easily digested by the body than other fat molecules. Medium chain triglycerides are also a direct energy source for the body. 1 In this sense, they mimic the function of a carbohydrate.

Consumption of medium chain triglycerides has been shown to encourage caloric thermogenesis at a rate greater than if MCT consumption had not occurred. 2, 3, 4 The body can use MCT’s for a number of purposes. These include being used for muscle energy, fat burning, and for the production of adenosine triphosphate. 5

Although conflicting data has arisen regarding the efficacy of medium chain triglycerides for weight loss, anecdotal evidence continues to mount that MCT’s are effective for weight loss and athletic performance.

From scanning the literature, it is clear that medium chain triglycerides are effective only under specific circumstances. Much of the literature has demonstrated that, in many cases, medium chain triglycerides have proven ineffective at eliciting weight loss, or enhancing athletic performance. 6, 7, 8

Two studies suggest that MCT’s are most effective when used in conjunction with a ketogenic diet. 9, 10 This would make sense as MTC are metabolized into ketongenic molecules. MCT’s are sometimes used as one of many elements in the treatment of seizures.

  1. Who needs them and what are some symptoms of deficiency?

Although there are no symptoms of deficiency, everyone may benefit from supplementing with medium chain triglycerides.

Often, people will consume foods that are high in saturated fat. Simply because of this, medium chain triglyceride oil is a healthy, natural, alternative. Populations that may benefit from medium chain triglyceride supplementation include: the obese, endurance athletes11, ectomorphs and more.

Obese persons may find MCT consumption helpful toward the goal of weight loss. Fat molecules are calorically dense, and consumption of healthy fats (as a substitute for bad fats) will lead to a feeling of satiation and fullness. Consumption of good fats will allow one to reduce food cravings, feel a sense of fullness, and avoid the accumulation of body fat that is associated with the consumption of bad fats.

Because MCT’s are used by the body as a direct source of energy, endurance athletes may find them to be a preferable and long-lasting energy source when undergoing physical exercise.

Hardgainers may find medium chain triglyceride supplementation to be helpful in the quest to gain mass, without the side effects associated with consuming other fat molecules (fat storage). They will effectively provide the hardgainer with the means to increase caloric intake, without adding body fat.

  1. Are there any side effects? How much should be taken?

The only noted side effect of MCT consumption occurs when MCT’s are taken on an empty stomach, and if in great quantities. Irritation can occur under these circumstances. 12

Research has established that MCT’s are safe for human consumption. 13 Still, individual tolerance will vary. Individuals with gastrointestinal issues should avoid the use of MCT’s. Diabetics should consult with a qualified medical practitioner prior to the use of MCT’s. Dosage guidelines have not yet been established, so it is best to follow label directions.

[quote]tall tom wrote:
Go to any farm supply store and see the ingredients of a good Calf Starter. Now look at Muscle Milk ingredients. It looks very similar to me. That being said, some people I know had great results with Muscle Milk.

I would listen to Dr. Lonnie Lowery on this one.[/quote]

Lonnie123 is not the Doc.

I think Muscle Milk is wonderful, actually. Chocolate is the best. Banana is strange. I love it so much-I unloaded packs of it for a GNC and I didnt even work there. Its the best thing in the world. I should be their spokeswoman actually.

Oh and yes all that MCT stuff helps a lot-especially before work outs-like I took it before my track-running 400 hurdles that day 5 times-I had so much energy-it doesnt feel like it after you drink it-because in my opinion its kind of heavy on the stomache (I AM a sprinter) But it does make a difference. Its good.

[quote]julia87 wrote:
Its the best thing in the world. [/quote]

You’re absolutely right! I had a three-some with fridge girl AND jeep girl and it didn’t even come close to a chocolate mint muscle milk shake. Unload a truck for free? Hell I’d unload a C-130 for free. Anything just be be around tubs of muscle milk. Oh god, I just came in my pants thinking about muscle milk. :open_mouth: