[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Lol, yeah, I guess there has to be a real honorable disconnect when stepping up behind the big table. Obviously, even if offered, I’m going to have to decline any show that my wife, or close friends are competing in. Still, and this is why I’m getting such a kick out of this, it’s a nice validation that I know what I’m talking about when looking at physiques. Certainly not a bad thing for my current and future clients
Can you talk about what you’ll be looking for with regard to size, symmetry, definition, etc.? What kind of weight do you give each area?[/quote]
aw yeah yes please Stu, that’d be really interesting[/quote]
Okay guys, I’ll throw out what the “official” notes say on the matter, then of course chime in with my own thoughts, and how I like to look at placings.
According to the “WNBF/INBF Bodybuilding Judging Criteria”: (I’ll skip the other classes)
Men: bodybuilding posing suit
Women: two piece bodybuilding posing suit
Round 1- SYMMETRY - Encompasses overall balance and conditioning from top to bottom
Round 2- MUSCULARITY/CONDITIONING - Athletes will be judged on conditioning by executing a series of mandatory poses. Competitors must hit all the mandatory poses in a timely manner. Remember every time a pose is called for the judges are looking at the complete package from top to bottom, not just that body part.
Note: The Head Judge at all INBF/WNBF events reserves the right to penalize an athlete one point for each pose if the athlete refuses to perform the requested pose properly. The athlete will be given a warning to correctly perform the pose and if the judge’s request is ignored, a penalty assessed to their placement for each improper pose. Athletes will perform only the poses requested by the Head Judge or face the same penalty.
WNBF and INBF MANDATORY POSES:
-Front Double Biceps Pose
-Side Chest Pose
-Side Triceps Pose
-Front Lat Spread Pose
-Rear Lat Spread Pose
-Abs and Thigh Pose
SCORING OF EACH ROUND:
INBF: Judges will score each round and give them a final placement for that round before moving on to the next round. Example: If there are 8 people in the class the judges will place them 1st through 8th place in each round. When the judges are done they will add the 2 scores together to come up with the final placements for each competitor in that class.
WNBF: Judges will score each round and give them a final placement for that round before moving on to the next round. Example: If there are 8 people in the class the judges will place them 1st through 8th place in each round. When the judges are done they will add the 2 scores together to come up with a SUB-FINAL PLACEMENT for each competitor in that class. Pro Judges will finalize their scores after the Pro posing round to either break a tie or move a competitor up 1 placement.
Now, some of you may remember a few years back the INBF/WNBF was using a 3 round system (Muscularity, Mass, and Symmetry). Although I actually thought it worked well (when followed), at a little Administrative/Judges/Promoters meeting I was at a few months ago, it was decided that everything that was being looked for by the judges was there already no matter how you break it down. In the efforts to make things easier (IMO) and simplify what is being assessed each round, it must have caused a greater confusion among some people, because it was discarded, and the original 2 round system was reinstated.
So here’s the basic breakdown in my words:
ROUND 1 - Quarter Turns, or “Relaxed” poses. This, according to Rich Gaspari (when he helped me with my posing before my first show!) is when the Judges really size everyone up, shuffle things around a bit, and by the end of the round, already know who the top 3 are going to be. No matter how great a competitor may look in one or two of their Mandatory Poses, you can’t hide weaknesses in the Quarter Turns.
ROUND 2 - Mandatory Poses. These are the poses that most people, even those who don’t compete, will do in front of a mirror when they’re either showing off or just goofing around. While each pose may indeed have the name of a particular muscle group in its name, you must always assess the entire physique as a whole. When I work with clients on their posing, I always tell them that the Front Double Biceps shot isn’t about their biceps at all. It’s an “X-Frame” pose. If done properly, your waist will appear small, your lats will be flared out widely, and your quads will be sweeping outwards, all contributing to a dramatic “X” when onstage.
One thing I’d like to point out though, is that of genetic predispositions. Some people just naturally have ‘gifts’. Fred Dimena, one of the “old school” Pros, judges and everything else in the WNBF, wrote that as a former competitor, he leans towards rewarding traits that obviously had to be worked for, and earned. That’s NOT to say that you reward shredded guys with no muscle over dude with big arms, and a muffin top hanging over their posing trunks. BUT, you have to weight the degree of each. Does the amount of muscle built on a guy who’s obviously not even close to being in condition exceed the degree of shreddedness on a guy who’s obviously lacking in the mass department?
Therein lies the issue when each goes home and has their friends swear to them up and down that they were robbed.
Stu, how much do you think judges factor genetic shape into the score cards?