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Mountain Dog Training When Dieting Down?


#1

So I stopped doing Mountain Dog training for a few weeks.....

...and now my shoulder is acting up again, my knee is bugging me and my eblow tendonitous is flaring up again. Seriously, 2 weeks or so of just going back to a traditional split and my old injuries are already bugging out after 3 months of zero pain.

JM is a vodoo witch doctor.

Anyways im starting up another 12 week training cycle. Anybody stick with MD training during a dieting down phase? I hate the term 'recomp' but that is bascially how i treated my first MD training cycle and had some amazing results.


#2

could you post some links to the workouts? I have a bum shoulder and am having trouble putting size on them since I can't OH press without discomfort.


#3

Just search mountain dog on the search box and they will all come up


#4

I started Mountain Dog training right at the beginning of my cut in November, really hurt my pride with all pre exhaust mixed with being depleted :frowning:


#5

You might want to post this question in his forum and get his response.


#6

I think JM would probably just say train the same, but make sure peri-WO nutrition is on point. Maybe not quite as high volume? Maybe less intensity techniques like dropsets and such.

I feel you can train the same regardless of being in a surplus vs deficit. I did Big Beyond Belief on a deficit, no problem. Only difference to me is whether you're going to 'grow' or not, and if you're doing something more high volume like MD training, I wouldn't go low carb for dieting.


#7

Not really asking a question geared at Jon, more of a request for annecdotal experience.


#8

if MD training helped you put on muscle then i would think it would also be the best routine to use while dieting down to preserve as much muscle mass as possible.


#9

I hate to see people stuck into thinking they need different programs for "bulk/cut/recomp"


#10

Just finished dieting with Shelby and he wrote the programing for that phase. It's a similar style (not the same) to Meadows, definitely kept all my muscle and strength through the process. I'm a fan of using what built the muscle to keep it.


#11

Taken me too long to realize that the differnce should be diet changes, not training.


#12

I'm curious how much volume did shelby have you doing?


#13

It was a Push/pull/legs 4 days a week. Volume was pretty similar to what JM outlined in the Mountaindog for intermediates. Sets were 9-12ish for chest, 8ish for shoulders and 8 ish for triceps for example.

I'm still working with him for lean gains, but writing my own workouts but I'm sticking with the P/P/L and similar volume since it worked well and I was really never burnt out by it.