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More Proof Muslims Are Nuts!

Playboy Editor in Indonesia Found Guilty; Protesters Call for Death Sentence
Wednesday, March 14, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia ? The editor of Playboy magazine in Indonesia was found guilty and faces a two-year jail term for violating moral norms by publishing pornographic images and stories, while protesters called for him to be hanged.

More than 150 members of the Indonesian People Forum said Erwin Arnada should die for his crimes, chanting “hang him, hang him,” according to a Reuters report.

“He was found guilty for violating moral norm that spark people unrest,” Prosecutor Resni Muchtar said during a hearing in South Jakarta District Court Tuesday, the Post reported. He said the maximum punishment was two years and eight months.

Arnada manned the magazine, famous around the world for publishing racy shots of scantily clad, if clad at all, women."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258783,00.html

Guess they never heard of simply not buying the magazine.

And closer to home:

[quote]So Dsouza was taken aback when the cashier - who had on the traditional headscarf, or hijab, worn by many Muslim women - refused to swipe the bacon through the checkout scanner.

“She made me scan the bacon. Then she opened the bag and made me put it in the bag,” said Dsouza, 53, of Minneapolis. “It made me wonder why this person took a job as a cashier.”

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Source:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/16897385.htm

Freedom of religion is great, but when your religion insists upon you killing people or keeps you from doing the job you applied for, then you might need to remove yourself from civilized society in order to better realize your personal utopia.

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
Freedom of religion is great, but when your religion insists upon you killing people or keeps you from doing the job you applied for, then you might need to remove yourself from civilized society in order to better realize your personal utopia.[/quote]

She should be fired. Period.

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
And closer to home:

So Dsouza was taken aback when the cashier - who had on the traditional headscarf, or hijab, worn by many Muslim women - refused to swipe the bacon through the checkout scanner.

“She made me scan the bacon. Then she opened the bag and made me put it in the bag,” said Dsouza, 53, of Minneapolis. “It made me wonder why this person took a job as a cashier.”

Source:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/16897385.htm

Freedom of religion is great, but when your religion insists upon you killing people or keeps you from doing the job you applied for, then you might need to remove yourself from civilized society in order to better realize your personal utopia.
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This is mostly Target’s problem. Why did they hire people they new would have problems handling certain products? And since they did hire them they cannot discriminate against them for their beliefs. Also, the article points out a good point that many of these Muslims from Somalia are in fact refugees who are very new to this country. They need to be given some leeway to acclimate to the culture of this country.

This country was founded on the very premise that people could exist and worship as they wish without persecution. Why do you think all the religious nuts flock here?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Guess they never heard of simply not buying the magazine.[/quote]

Guess they wanna protect their kids from such images. I don’t condone pornography and don’t see any good coming out of it for society. Corrupting girls, alienating boys and making an easy buck, that’s what it’s all about.

I’m pretty sure that when the Playboy company started in the US, they have received their fair share of death threats.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Playboy Editor in Indonesia Found Guilty; Protesters Call for Death Sentence
Wednesday, March 14, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia ? The editor of Playboy magazine in Indonesia was found guilty and faces a two-year jail term for violating moral norms by publishing pornographic images and stories, while protesters called for him to be hanged.

More than 150 members of the Indonesian People Forum said Erwin Arnada should die for his crimes, chanting “hang him, hang him,” according to a Reuters report.

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Why are you equating 150 members of some unkown Indonesian group (that may or may not be tied to Islam) with all muslims ?

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
And closer to home:

So Dsouza was taken aback when the cashier - who had on the traditional headscarf, or hijab, worn by many Muslim women - refused to swipe the bacon through the checkout scanner.

“She made me scan the bacon. Then she opened the bag and made me put it in the bag,” said Dsouza, 53, of Minneapolis. “It made me wonder why this person took a job as a cashier.”

Source:
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/16897385.htm

Freedom of religion is great, but when your religion insists upon you killing people or keeps you from doing the job you applied for, then you might need to remove yourself from civilized society in order to better realize your personal utopia.[/quote]

lmao

[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Playboy Editor in Indonesia Found Guilty; Protesters Call for Death Sentence
Wednesday, March 14, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia ? The editor of Playboy magazine in Indonesia was found guilty and faces a two-year jail term for violating moral norms by publishing pornographic images and stories, while protesters called for him to be hanged.

More than 150 members of the Indonesian People Forum said Erwin Arnada should die for his crimes, chanting “hang him, hang him,” according to a Reuters report.

Why are you equating 150 members of some unkown Indonesian group (that may or may not be tied to Islam) with all muslims ?

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Its an Improper Induction — relish it! ;D

Actually, proofs about entire sets are difficult at best. You have to prove that an initial premise leads to absurdities. That may actually be possible here though…

Muslims become so by surrendering their minds to Allah. But then, if you have no mind (or will or whatever), you are a robot. You are no longer human. So, you’re in essence saying that A is non-A. It would be like saying to someone: “You do not exist.” The statement is impossible if you’re speaking to someone. Hmmm…there we go.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Muslims become so by surrendering their minds to Allah. But then, if you have no mind (or will or whatever), you are a robot. You are no longer human. So, you’re in essence saying that A is non-A. It would be like saying to someone: “You do not exist.” The statement is impossible if you’re speaking to someone. Hmmm…there we go.[/quote]

The only thing you’re proving with your abominable posts is your intolerant nature and utter ignorance. But that, everybody knew already…

Go grab some books and lay off Fox for a while. Might do your soul some good.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Muslims become so by surrendering their minds to Allah. But then, if you have no mind (or will or whatever), you are a robot. You are no longer human. So, you’re in essence saying that A is non-A. It would be like saying to someone: “You do not exist.” The statement is impossible if you’re speaking to someone. Hmmm…there we go.

The only thing you’re proving with your abominable posts is your intolerant nature and utter ignorance. But that, everybody knew already…

Go grab some books and lay off Fox for a while. Might do your soul some good.[/quote]

Can you refute a single word I said? Do you not surrender your mind to Allah? Instead of trashing, prove something.

I would have been forced to touch her with the bacon. Even if I had to chase her around the store, she would have touched the bacon.

The cashier story reminds me of the holier-than-thou pharmacist who refused to dispense a morning-after prescription drug to a woman because of his personal beliefs. I think that was at a Target store.

These people should not be working in those jobs, period. It’s a no brainer.

I thought you religious wackos didn’t need proof.

If thats the game we are playing…

There is plenty of evidence to substantiate the “nuttiness” of head hunter!

As said before, all the bloody same.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Muslims become so by surrendering their minds to Allah. But then, if you have no mind (or will or whatever), you are a robot. You are no longer human. So, you’re in essence saying that A is non-A. It would be like saying to someone: “You do not exist.” The statement is impossible if you’re speaking to someone. Hmmm…there we go.

The only thing you’re proving with your abominable posts is your intolerant nature and utter ignorance. But that, everybody knew already…

Go grab some books and lay off Fox for a while. Might do your soul some good.

Can you refute a single word I said? Do you not surrender your mind to Allah? Instead of trashing, prove something.

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Do you not submit your mind to capitalism? God? Nature?

From the way you talk, that seems to be the case.

And anyways, it’d probably take a quick bit of searching to find that porno-people were getting death threats when they started in America, BIG TIME. Some of them definetly still do.

[quote]doogie wrote:
I would have been forced to touch her with the bacon. Even if I had to chase her around the store, she would have touched the bacon.[/quote]

ROTFLMAO!

I can picture the headline.

I think a lot of people (not just the religious) can see that pornography has a detrimental effect on society (at the very least on the women in it). If Indonesia still has the strength to resist it good for them.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Can you refute a single word I said? Do you not surrender your mind to Allah? Instead of trashing, prove something.[/quote]

I surrender my mind to Allah when I pray. Other than that, I keep a very critical view towards anything that comes along, even words of God and the prophet.

But that might differ from person to person. I didn’t wanna go into this debate because you know that the same can be said of any religion; Yet, you insist on singling out (did I spell that correctly?) Muslims everytime.

Plus, where I come from, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
k.elkouhen wrote:
Why are you equating 150 members of some unkown Indonesian group (that may or may not be tied to Islam) with all muslims ?

Its an Improper Induction — relish it! ;D

Actually, proofs about entire sets are difficult at best.

You have to prove that an initial premise leads to absurdities. That may actually be possible here though…

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I seem to remember that you are a teacher. If so, I hope you’re not teaching math…

Oh and I still don’t have an answer to my question.

[quote]doogie wrote:
I would have been forced to touch her with the bacon. Even if I had to chase her around the store, she would have touched the bacon.[/quote]

I had a vegan roommate once, I would’ve probably helped you. It adds to the effect if you scream “Touch my bacon!” while you do it.

I generally disagree with lixy as much as the next guy but I’ll cut him some slack because a) I agree with the general sentiment of his first post (a surprise from a socialist) and b) he’s not from around here.

Other than him, am I the only one that realizes Larry Flynt is in a wheelchair because of an assassination attempt?

I doubt Mr. Arnada woke up one morning with the Indonesian police at his door and a sign that said “I’m the editor of Playboy” taped to his back. The law was established over a year ago and it was executed as such.

While there are Muslim elements in the world that need help or to help themselves, this was far from the barbarism, terrorism, and misogyny we’re used to seeing. And in a region of the world where human trafficking is rampant, and in other parts of the country people walk around in loin-cloths I can understand and even condone a little chastity/civility.

Moreover, Indonesia is a democracy (I know, Presidential Federal Republic, blah, blah…) if you don’t like the laws move there and vote.