I will make sure not to spray roundup on my testicles.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
… are people experiencing serum glyphosate levels in this range of 1 ppm or higher, or even lets say 1/10th or 1/100th that amount… drinking 100 mL of glyphosate herbicide, not necessarily Roundup, in a suicide attempt gave a serum level of about 4400 ppm glyphosate. So the 10,000 ppm end of the study range seems a little excessive … So the question is, is the 1 ppm level, or anything like it, remotely relevant to amounts actually resulting in humans? Short of being careless with the stuff, or perhaps being exposed by aerial spraying, etc., which could be a different issue.
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Shhhhh.
Enviro-wackos don’t want you to consider dosage/effect.
It ruins the agenda and cuts off the grants.
You’ll be labeled a “hater.”
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
A glyphosate-based herbicide induces necrosis and apoptosis in mature rat testicular cells in vitro, and testosterone decrease at lower levels. Toxicology in Vitro Volume 26, Issue 2, March 2012, Pages 269?279
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a Universit�????�???�??�?�© de Caen Basse-Normandie, EA2608, Institute of Biology, Esplanade de la Paix, 14032 Caen Cedex, France
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887233311003341[/quote]
So (I have not looked into it) are people experiencing serum glyphosate levels in this range of 1 ppm or higher, or even lets say 1/10th or 1/100th that amount, from consuming foods where Roundup was used agriculturally?
Apparently ( https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:VMBJSdW_WAwJ:jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/3/162.full.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESh92mWrdNGWAxZxp1lg_m0Jh4yLFlTWtzqoAlUNguR4bxJIPTZWeiIU2JgpehinGggkP7mrVlWZwISeXzz6T3HbpH3jDJZrqIrbAJs84tXo2HmbZxXItsgYlLHY_5UhEzkpNHg9&sig=AHIEtbTRYS8ER3iQdRAkxBCdPIvk3QhrcA ) drinking 100 mL of glyphosate herbicide, not necessarily Roundup, in a suicide attempt gave a serum level of about 4400 ppm glyphosate. So the 10,000 ppm end of the study range seems a little excessive. They did however see substantial effect at 1 ppm also. On a quick check, I didn’t see evidence as to whether people are experiencing blood levels on the order of 1 ppm, or 1/100th of that, or any particular value as a result of these herbicides being used agriculturally.
An expectation that an herbicide or pesticide be completely non-toxic to humans even at concentrations far beyond what anyone would get from consuming the foods is probably unrealistic, unless wishing to accept our food supply decreasing drastically. So the question is, is the 1 ppm level, or anything like it, remotely relevant to amounts actually resulting in humans? Short of being careless with the stuff, or perhaps being exposed by aerial spraying, etc., which could be a different issue.
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Reading your posts Bill makes me feel smarter. Is research your main background? It sounds like you have read your fair share of journal articles.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
… are people experiencing serum glyphosate levels in this range of 1 ppm or higher, or even lets say 1/10th or 1/100th that amount… drinking 100 mL of glyphosate herbicide, not necessarily Roundup, in a suicide attempt gave a serum level of about 4400 ppm glyphosate. So the 10,000 ppm end of the study range seems a little excessive … So the question is, is the 1 ppm level, or anything like it, remotely relevant to amounts actually resulting in humans? Short of being careless with the stuff, or perhaps being exposed by aerial spraying, etc., which could be a different issue.
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Shhhhh.
Enviro-wackos don’t want you to consider dosage/effect.
It ruins the agenda and cuts off the grants.
You’ll be labeled a “hater.”[/quote]
or Racists.
Glyphosate?s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome: Pathways to Modern Diseases
CYP enzymes acts synergistically with disruption of the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids by gut bacteria, as well as impairment in serum sulfate transport. Consequences are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer?s disease. We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease, and we show that glyphosate is the ?textbook example? of exogenous semiotic entropy: the disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins.
Couple things:
Why are y’all eating fruits and vegetables in the first place?
And also, as I’ve asked before, how come we can’t ever be so lucky as to see something like this in the news: “Widely used herbicide found to dramatically increase testosterone in males and enhance strength and virility to near superhuman levels”. But no everything always decreases your test… Stupid science.