[quote]otoko wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
roc wrote:
Nice post Xen. First off I think roids is so rampant in mma because like any other sport it’s how these guys make their livings, top tier guys anyway, so any edge they can get they will take advantage.
Second a fighter needs to figure out what he need s compared to what he thinks he needs. 400 lbs deadlift or more takedown practice, you get the ideal.
P.S. Hey Xen I’m jealous of you guys in Calli, you guys can throw a rock and hit a place to train at thats close and good. Damn east coast.
I’d have to agree that many of the top tier guys probably use roids (camps like Hammerhouse are notorious for using them), but personally I think that many of the fighters use them more for their recovery enhancing abilities than performance enhancement. Not that none use them to increase performance.
As far as strength goes. Why is everybody making this out to be like strength and technique are mutually exclusive? Everyone who is in the upper levels of MMA trains their techniques often. True, some spend more time on them than others. But, anyone who tells you that technique isn’t important is B.S.ing you.
However, just because one realizes that technique is important doesn’t mean that they still shouldn’t work on improving their strength in the gym. Improved strength should in fact, improve technique since maximal strength also improves coordination, kinesthetic awareness, speed, etc…
Just look at the fight between Hughes and Gracie. Now, Gracie has been practicing BJJ since he was a little kid (30+ years) while Hughes has only been praciticing it for maybe half that time if he’s lucky. But, because hughes was so much stronger than Gracie, he man handled Royce in that fight.
That’s in my opinion why the Gracies aren’t at the top of the MMA food chain anymore. Because they refuse to adapt their training and do things like strength training. They’re still under the impression that all one has to do is practice technique and grapple (not that those aren’t important).
That’s just my opinion though.
Good training,
Sentoguy
I thought it was because no longer was an elite guy. Because before Royce was beaten by Hughes he was given hell by 5’7" 150 pound Tokoro in Japan. I have seen Tokoro up close and he is no powerhouse.
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Well I’m not going to argue with you about that. But, the reason I mentioned that was because the original topic of this thread seemed to be whether technique could overcome strength.
From the OP:
Obviously this is an example that doesn’t fit the above statement. Like I said before Royce had been practicing his jiu-jitsu techniques for decades longer than Hughes. But, because Hughes possessed such superior strength, he was able to defeat Royce easily.
And besides, even if you make the argument that Royce lost because he’s “no longer an elite guy”, you have to ask yourself what has changed to make him no longer elite. Has he lost something? Yes, probably strength, and conditioning. Or, have the other guys just surpassed him? Yes once again, in the areas of strength and well roundedness.
So, one can still make the argument that strength played a big role in that fight, even if it wasn’t the sole reason why he lost.
Good training,
Sentoguy