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MLK Day

I think I posted this last year as well - MLK’s Letter From a Birmingham Jail:

http://patriotpost.us/histdocs/BirmJail.html

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I think I posted this last year as well - MLK’s Letter From a Birmingham Jail:

http://patriotpost.us/histdocs/BirmJail.html

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Thanks! Well worth the re-read. (And the website is a treasury!)

I leave to others their thoughts on the Letter and its author. For my part (and yes, my memory is this long), I am struck by the recent dust-up initiated by HRC regarding LBJ and MLK and their respective roles.

When MLK writes of his disdain of the “white moderate,” he avoids the question: why is the “moderate” so “moderate?” Illiberal moderates of the time could suggest patience and “negotiation,” knowing full well that American blacks individually and collectively were powerless, politically and economically.
Who reading the Letter today remembers the revolution which LBJ would release, as the Great Society, in 18 months? I doubt that many of us here at T-Nation know the history of the Community Action Programs, and the like–programs which would have any conservative or libertarian to froth at the mouth. But it was these programs–and a hill of money–that empowered American blacks and others; after the Great Society, the “moderation” of neglect became near impossible.

One more irony. I am told that Hillary Rodham wrote her Wellesley graduation thesis criticizing “grassroots democracy” and “community action” principles of Saul Alinsky (and by inference, the Great Society). She believed that the masses could only be led forward by an enlightened leader: Leninism. Or Clintonism.
Oh, well, now MLK or LBJ are her heroes…

Yes, the “Great Society.” Maybe our children will figure out some way to pay for it.

In all fairness, that letter was probably plagiarized anyways.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Yes, the “Great Society.” Maybe our children will figure out some way to pay for it. [/quote]

Perspective:
“The War on Poverty began with a $1 billion appropriation in 1964 and spent another $2 billion in the following two years. It spawned dozens of programs, among them the Job Corps, whose purpose was to help disadvantaged youth develop marketable skills; the Neighborhood Youth Corps, the first summer jobs established to give poor urban youths work experience and to encourage them to stay in school; Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA), a domestic version of the Peace Corps, which placed concerned citizens with community-based agencies to work towards empowerment of the poor; the Model Cities Program for urban redevelopment; Upward Bound, which assisted poor high school students entering college; legal services for the poor; the Food Stamps program; the Community Action Program, which initiated local Community Action Agencies charged with helping the poor become self-sufficient; and Project Head Start, which offered preschool education for poor children.” (Wiki)

3 billion bucks could buy a lot in the 1960’s. (The OEO was disbanded by Nixon; CAPs continue even now!)

The question of value is open.
(No offense intended: “The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”)

[quote]tedro wrote:
In all fairness, that letter was probably plagiarized anyways.[/quote]

Really? A source for that observation?
I ask because the locutions are so typical of King. It was heavily edited before publication, but lifted verbatim from something else…?

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
tedro wrote:
In all fairness, that letter was probably plagiarized anyways.

Really? A source for that observation?
I ask because the locutions are so typical of King. It was heavily edited before publication, but lifted verbatim from something else…?[/quote]

I have no idea if that letter was actually plagiarized, I was meaning to be sarcastic. MLK did plagiarize many of his works, including his doctoral thesis.

Oh yeah, to stay on topic. Happy MLK day!

regardless of his plagarism, he got the job done. Thats what is important in the bug rat race. Happy MLK!

[quote]CentralGuy wrote:
regardless of his plagarism, he got the job done. Thats what is important in the bug rat race. Happy MLK![/quote]

What if most of his letter was plagarized from a white guy? What if white editors re-wrote the whole thing?

His plagarizing and womanizing indicates to me a very sleazy character. Ever see a movie called ‘A Face in the Crowd’? The main character is about as low as a human can go, but is idolized for his public persona.

Unlike that movie, King’s possible private persona never came out. The guy was martyred.

What if the FBI tapes came out and you could hear King beating white prostitutes and screaming obscenities? Would you guys worship him then?

http://www.truveo.com/boondocks-episode-9-the-return-of-the-king/id/300715428

A pretty sweet episode with MLK.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What if most of his letter was plagarized from a white guy? What if white editors re-wrote the whole thing?

His plagarizing and womanizing indicates to me a very sleazy character. Ever see a movie called ‘A Face in the Crowd’? The main character is about as low as a human can go, but is idolized for his public persona.

Unlike that movie, King’s possible private persona never came out. The guy was martyred.

What if the FBI tapes came out and you could hear King beating white prostitutes and screaming obscenities? Would you guys worship him then?

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What if I was a Walrus? What if you owned a parrot? What if Lixy was a conservative, white, Texan Christian? Would you still hate him then?

(What if I asked what if’s forever?)

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
CentralGuy wrote:
regardless of his plagarism, he got the job done. Thats what is important in the bug rat race. Happy MLK!

What if most of his letter was plagarized from a white guy? What if white editors re-wrote the whole thing?

His plagarizing and womanizing indicates to me a very sleazy character. Ever see a movie called ‘A Face in the Crowd’? The main character is about as low as a human can go, but is idolized for his public persona.

Unlike that movie, King’s possible private persona never came out. The guy was martyred.

What if the FBI tapes came out and you could hear King beating white prostitutes and screaming obscenities? Would you guys worship him then?

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LOL…Hell…should black people not celebrate 4th of July?? Is the Declaration of Independence considered nothing more than a historical artifact because of the hypocrisy of Thomas Jefferson??

And in the interest of trolling I must say Happy Birthday Robert E. Lee!!

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
What if most of his letter was plagarized from a white guy? What if white editors re-wrote the whole thing?

His plagarizing and womanizing indicates to me a very sleazy character. Ever see a movie called ‘A Face in the Crowd’? The main character is about as low as a human can go, but is idolized for his public persona.

Unlike that movie, King’s possible private persona never came out. The guy was martyred.

What if the FBI tapes came out and you could hear King beating white prostitutes and screaming obscenities? Would you guys worship him then?

What if I was a Walrus? What if you owned a parrot? What if Lixy was a conservative, white, Texan Christian? Would you still hate him then?

(What if I asked what if’s forever?)

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You’re missing the point: The plagarism and womanizing are proved and admitted to by his friends and family. The tapes won’t be released; but the FBI assistant director swears by their content.

My ‘ifs’ have a connection to reality.

Quit worshipping this guy who mouthed a lot of eloquent rhetoric. Hell, even a Fabian Socialist like JFK is more worthy than MLK.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
LOL…Hell…should black people not celebrate 4th of July?? Is the Declaration of Independence considered nothing more than a historical artifact because of the hypocrisy of Thomas Jefferson?? [/quote]

One could ask the same of the Emancipation Proclamation.

And anyway, comparing a man and an event is pretty pointless.

Two valid comparisons would be either Martin Luther King’s and John Adams’ birthday (October 30); or Independence Day and the anniversary of Brown vs. Board of Education (May 17).

Now that the thread has degenerated it will not be complete without the infamous “Thank You James Earl Ray” plaque.

I’m more thankful to James Earl Jones.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I’m more thankful to James Earl Jones.[/quote]

I prefer Ray (Kinsella).

Terence Mann: I’m going to beat you with a crowbar until you leave.
Ray Kinsella: You can’t do that.
Terence Mann: There are rules here? No, there are no rules here.
[advances with crowbar]
Ray Kinsella: You’re a pacifist!
Terence Mann: [stops] Shit.


Ray Kinsella: [being rushed out of Mann’s loft] You’ve changed - you know that?
Terence Mann: Yes - I suppose I have! How about this: “Peace, love, dope”? Now get the hell out of here!

Actually I prefer Jones.