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Milk Products and Bodybuilding

It seems like there is no consensus on milk products for bodybuilding - some say it’s great (“squats and milk!”), many suggest to stay away and not overindulge.

I, personally, love milk products and think that they are great for those who are not lactose intolerant.

However, are there any recommendations out there as to upper limit intake of mil products for healthy adults?

I recently discovered Trader Joe’s cottage cheese, yogurt, kefir (all 1-2% fat) and I like their taste so much that I can easily consume 800-900 calories a day from these sources (including milk and cheese). This is a significant increase in dairy consumption as compared to before; it’s like my body craves yogurt/cottage cheese now.

Given that I’m 165lb and my daily intake is probably 2500 (I’ve never really calculated, but I eat clean pretty much non-stop), is it OK to get 1/3 of calories from milk products? Any possible downsides?

[quote]skor wrote:
It seems like there is no consensus on milk products for bodybuilding - some say it’s great (“squats and milk!”), many suggest to stay away and not overindulge.[/quote]

Here’s a tip, in the future, take a look at the people who demand that milk be avoided at all costs…and then take a look at the people who go on about how great milk was when gaining most of their muscle mass. This usually ends the discussion.

The same goes for figuring out which training methods are worth paying attention to but that seems to get lost over the internet.

I don’t drink as much milk now, but I am positive that doing so in the beginning helped me gain most of my size initially. It was affordable and it provided the extra calories and protein I needed.

As for asking about “upper limits”, why are there so many questions like this lately? “How much weight is too much?” and, “How much time in the gym is too much” make me wonder if people are actually coming anywhere near their limits or if they are just sitting at home and thinking about them.

I used to regularly drink up to a gallon a day. But then, I actually had a goal of getting big.

I agree if it works for you and your goal DO IT. You have to find that out in all aspects, what works great for me, for Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, NFL elite, etc may suck for you

Phill

There have been quite a number of these threads and they confuse me every time. The fact of the matter is the BV and PDCAAS of milk is superior to almost all other protein sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDCAAS) and it is a good source of carbs, cholesterol and fat, as well. These are all essential to size gain.

I’m interested in knowing the source of the absurd notion that any of that is a bad thing. Maybe we all should paint lamb’s blood on our front door, to ward off this 11th plague of moronic “information.” Someone PM Tim Patterson and TC about this “redecoration,” the site could use it, too.

Milk kicks ass. I drink about half a gallon a day.

Just don’t over do it. Milk is a good form of protein, by drinking it or eating cottage cheese you’re getting a more complete protien. Spread it out between the different kinds, Milk, Animal, Whey, Soy. Just try to avoid the 2% which tastes the best but has loads of saturated fat, and if you’re drinking that much i’d avoid it and just go for skim milk. Peace

[quote]GhostTribe wrote:
Just don’t over do it. Milk is a good form of protein, by drinking it or eating cottage cheese you’re getting a more complete protien. Spread it out between the different kinds, Milk, Animal, Whey, Soy. Just try to avoid the 2% which tastes the best but has loads of saturated fat, and if you’re drinking that much i’d avoid it and just go for skim milk. Peace[/quote]

The hell?

I didn’t know that milk and whey were two different kinds of protein. And fuck soy. And 2%. Drink whole milk.

[quote]GhostTribe wrote:
Just don’t over do it. Milk is a good form of protein, by drinking it or eating cottage cheese you’re getting a more complete protien. Spread it out between the different kinds, Milk, Animal, Whey, Soy. Just try to avoid the 2% which tastes the best but has loads of saturated fat, and if you’re drinking that much i’d avoid it and just go for skim milk. Peace[/quote]

Milk is not an animal protein? Milk does not contain whey? As for soy, I think most people here try to limit their intake of soy. Also, fat is not the enemy, whole milk is nature’s muscle building supplement.

Brant_Drake beat me to it.

[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
GhostTribe wrote:
Just don’t over do it. Milk is a good form of protein, by drinking it or eating cottage cheese you’re getting a more complete protien. Spread it out between the different kinds, Milk, Animal, Whey, Soy. Just try to avoid the 2% which tastes the best but has loads of saturated fat, and if you’re drinking that much i’d avoid it and just go for skim milk. Peace

The hell?

I didn’t know that milk and whey were two different kinds of protein. And fuck soy. And 2%. Drink whole milk.[/quote]

LOL.

“Don’t over do it”

Yes, you might get too big and strong and THEN what will guys smaller than you do?!

I think he’s been smoking too much creatine-laced bud again.

soy increases IGF-1 more then milk does, so technically soy can help you gain, at only 40g a day (that was the study they used).

Just saying, I’m not a fan of soy anyhow, but this struck me as interesting.

[quote]romanaz wrote:

soy increases IGF-1 more then milk does, so technically soy can help you gain, at only 40g a day (that was the study they used).

Just saying, I’m not a fan of soy anyhow, but this struck me as interesting.

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It also increases estrogen more than milk does

g-d created REZ-V for a reason. :smiley:

[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
I think he’s been smoking too much creatine-laced bud again.[/quote]

LOL, here’s another time Brant_Drake beat someone to the punch on this thread. Yes, Ghost Tribe has proved himself to be a moron before with “Creatine Monohydrate is old news.” “Don’t overdo milk” (whatever that means) certainly has a charm all its own, though.

Also, for the record, whole tastes the best. There’s a dang good reason I drink a half gallon daily.

Did most of you guys use whole milk for bulking? Prof x?

I always have a tub of cottage cheese in my bedroom mini-fridge to eat before bed (on nights that I don’t have eggs/meat) or for when I wake up in the middle of the night.

[quote]anthropocentric wrote:
Did most of you guys use whole milk for bulking? Prof x?

I always have a tub of cottage cheese in my bedroom mini-fridge to eat before bed (on nights that I don’t have eggs/meat) or for when I wake up in the middle of the night. [/quote]

I hate…HATE…cottage cheese. That might as well be the dreaded “ma-yo-nnaise” as far as I am concerned. Yes on the whole milk unless I was working on leaning up a little.

I know that there are a lot of guys who drop milk when dieting for a contest. Somewhere, some jackass noob read that and decided that since the final goal was to be shredded, people should avoid milk altogether. Being a jackass noob, he forgot the part about being contest ready where you have to have muscle mass AND low body fat.

I think thats where this whole thing came from.

Loosely compiled from the following thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1534980

[quote]Post workout, whole milk has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis to a greater extent than skim.

Drinking WHOLE milk post workout results in phenylalanine and threonine uptake. This is representative of net muscle protein synthesis.

These results suggest that whole milk may have increased utilization of available amino acids for protein synthesis.

Vitamin A (natural retinol, as apposed to carotenes) is necessary for protein utilization, and whole milk contains significantly more of this fat-soluble vitamin than does skim. Vitamin A has been associated with higher levels of Testosterone, as well.

Fat content, too, would affect Testosterone levels.

This, coupled with the fatty acids CLA as well as Vaccenic acid (which converts into CLA) naturally occurring in whole milk would raise protein synthesis, as well.[/quote]

As far as cottage cheese, I love the stuff. I usually eat a tub o’ the fatty goodness every night. I guess I’m lucky since I like the taste.

[quote]romanaz wrote:

soy increases IGF-1 more then milk does, so technically soy can help you gain, at only 40g a day (that was the study they used).

Just saying, I’m not a fan of soy anyhow, but this struck me as interesting.
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Yet in the study, vegans across the board had lower IGF-1 levels then non-vegans. I’m more likely to trust a sampling like that then a questionable study about different protein sources.