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Milk: Good or Bad?

I hear so many conflicting ideas when it comes to incorporating milk into a diet (both cutting and bulking). Some argue that the lactose sugar makes it a poor choice for any diet. While others argue that casien protein is the best, and the lactose sugar is extremely low GI. I have never incorporated milk into my diet. What do you guys think? Drink milk? And if yes how should one go about useing it in a diet?

[quote]Pistons137 wrote:
I hear so many conflicting ideas when it comes to incorporating milk into a diet (both cutting and bulking). Some argue that the lactose sugar makes it a poor choice for any diet. While others argue that casien protein is the best, and the lactose sugar is extremely low GI. I have never incorporated milk into my diet. What do you guys think? Drink milk? And if yes how should one go about useing it in a diet?[/quote]

I use skim milk as part of my higher carb portion of the day (post workout snack)

Talk about conveinence-food. You can get it anywhere, cheap, and decent p+C. The protein/carb ration is a little high, so I only use it in the AM.

I sometimes have low-carb chocolate (good sh&t www.carbcountdown.com) milk diluted with 2%milk in the evening.

I figure the low-carb2%milk and the reg milk are good for late night mid-carb mid fat snack for the 6-8hour fast/sleep (unless I wake up and have some cottage cheese)

I also have 2 tablespoons of cottage cheese right before bed.

Is my approach right? I’m in a bulking phase and I don’t think it can hurt.

If I were cutting, I wouldn’t think it’d be best. I think I am going to lean heavily on low-carb Grow! for my cutting phase for my 6-8hour fast (sleep)

Any opinions to this approach would be welcomed.
Thanks
Matt

[quote]Pistons137 wrote:
I hear so many conflicting ideas when it comes to incorporating milk into a diet (both cutting and bulking). Some argue that the lactose sugar makes it a poor choice for any diet. While others argue that casien protein is the best, and the lactose sugar is extremely low GI. I have never incorporated milk into my diet. What do you guys think? Drink milk? And if yes how should one go about useing it in a diet?[/quote]

I dropped (skim)milk from my diet a few weeks ago and my skin is much tighter.

I still eat other dairy prodcuts so I assume lactose is to blame for the bloat.

But, why would lactose cause subcutaneous bloating?

Is it something hormonal?

[quote]Pistons137 wrote:
I hear so many conflicting ideas when it comes to incorporating milk into a diet (both cutting and bulking). Some argue that the lactose sugar makes it a poor choice for any diet. While others argue that casien protein is the best, and the lactose sugar is extremely low GI. I have never incorporated milk into my diet. What do you guys think? Drink milk? And if yes how should one go about useing it in a diet?[/quote]

Why don’t you just expeirment with it and be the judge of whether it helps or hurts youe progress? After all, no one is going to be able to tell you how it will affect you.

By the way, I will only use low-carb milk, and sparingly.

It’s a pretty convenient source of calories when you’re bulking. I don’t drink it when I’m cutting.

fedovov91,

milk, while having a low GI, has a very high II (insulin index). So, yes, it quite possibbly is “something hormonal”.

Crowbar

I knock back a cup or two of skim a day just because it is do damn convenient. That’s what it comes down to. If you are bulking, I would say you are free to drink milk if you’d like as long as you don’t have a intolerance. When cutting? I don’t know, I would rather eat more nutrient dense foods.

[quote]crowbar524 wrote:
fedovov91,

milk, while having a low GI, has a very high II (insulin index). So, yes, it quite possibbly is “something hormonal”.

Crowbar[/quote]

I still don’t understad how a low gi carb can cause a rapid insulin realase. I thought the two were proportional.

The glycemic index and the insulin index definitely do not correlate each other. There is no reason for them too either. Hormones are a complicated business, especially insulin. The glycemic index just measures the speed at which glucose is released from foods. Whilst it should be a pretty good predictor of the insulin response, other factors are also involved in insulin production.

[quote]Breakdown wrote:
The glycemic index and the insulin index definitely do not correlate each other. There is no reason for them too either. Hormones are a complicated business, especially insulin. The glycemic index just measures the speed at which glucose is released from foods. Whilst it should be a pretty good predictor of the insulin response, other factors are also involved in insulin production.

[/quote]

What other factors?

fedovov91,

to be honest, I don’t really know if scientists have a good idea as to why the GI and II sometimes don’t correlate well.

Crowbar

something else to think about is calcium absorbtion. supposedly calcium is better and more readily absorbed from milk products than from any other source. calcium is not only important for bone health but responsible for muscle contractions.

i think if you’re looking to put on size, milk is one of the best things you can drink. as many of the guys already said, it’s extremely convenient and has decen protein in it.

however, i’ve read that dairy can tend to cause water retention(hence when some people cut it out, they tighten up). if i’m cutting, i don’t drink it…great for size, though…

LOVE IT!!!

I have had such a hard time putting on size since my teens that I have always used tons of milk just to keep my cals up. Mostly as many have written…it is mostly due to convenience. I just can’t cook 5-6 meals everyday and have a life. Does anyone have quick meal suggestions they have used successfully? I can’t think the type of milk consumption I have had over the years can be good. I want to eat ‘cleaner’, but it needs to be ‘do-able’. Thanks.

Guys,

you have much to learn about milk.

Raw milk is much better than pasturized milk (of course if handled properly). When you heat the milk to high temperature, it hasically changes protein profile, destroys all, if not all most of enzymes including the one that is used to break down the lactose!. Maybe it is why some babies are allergic to milk! Pasturized milk is basically a liquid crap so don’t waste your money on it. Ultra-Pasturized non fat milk is the worst of all. If I had a choice for pasturized milk, it’d be whole fat ones. The skim or low fat is actually water mixed with milk powder…

I definitely consider it a staple while bulking. Talk about easy to ingest calories and protein. I avoid milk at all costs during a cut cycle. It causes me to hold at a lot of subcutaneous water if I drink 16oz or more a day regularly. Just like with everything—it has its time and place.

When I drink lots of milk I also get red bumps on my upper arms and upper legs.

What the hell is going on here?

Is it a milk alergy or lactose alergy?

I dont drink milk but I do drink Kefir. It is sort of like a thin yoghurt. It has more benefical bacteria then yoghurt and virtually all the lactose is digested. Yoghurt generally consists of 1-2 types of benefical bacteria/microorganisms while Kefir contains something like 5-6.