You’ll shut down all production for a minimal bump in your total testosterone levels
Once you pct you’ll be back down to your usual level, which seems like it’s not great for your goals
You’ll lose most of the minimal gains you’ll make
You’ll be back to where you were three months prior, only you’ll be a few hundred dollars poorer
There’s a reason that cycles are run the way they are. If you’re going to cease all natura testosterone production you need to get something from that risk. The something that you get is supraphysiological levels of test which help you build muscle mass. But you’re skipping the reward part and just getting the risk. It’s an asymmetric bet in the wrong direction.
My goal is to stay in upper limits of normal. I understand 100mg will shut down test production during cycle. I’m not looking to build mass, gain weight, etc. I want to energy, motivation, mood and recovery aspects of this approach.
100mg of IM test per week will put most men into the upper quartile of the normal range and in fact it will put not a few above normal.
Why only 100mg some of you will say…because it will get most of you into the upper reaches of normal and you will not usually have any estrogen/water retention issues and you lipid profile will be normal and may even improve a bit. Also, you stay at the upper normal and do not drop in T as you always do with hard training.
100-125mg of test IM(injected) per week. 10 grams per day of Androgel if you don’t like injections . Then get your T level checked. You can get it checked without a doctors script via the internet. If you T is at the upper reaches of normal …say at 900-1000ng/dl then consider this good for the endurance man. Try 100mg first then get your T checked in a few weeks…if it doesn’t do the trick then try 125mg.
With most men(not all) 100mg per week will give you a T of a lucky19 year and most importantly it will not drop with hard training like it ALWAYS does naturally. The low dose will also not mess with your lipid profile and usually not result in a high estrogen level either.
FRONT LOAD INITIAL DOSE.
For your first shot do 200mg as a “front load” …this will get your serum T up fast…then back off to your normal weekly dose.
TWICE WEEKLY INJECTIONS!
The half life of test testosterone cypionate or enanthate is about 6-8 days depending on
a couple factors. Serum T will reach it’s PEAK in about 48 hours after injection and then slowly drop. So for best EVEN blood levels of T, ESPECIALLY on the lowest recommended dose of 100mg/week, it is best to inject the weekly dose in two separate injections per week.
Stay on this dose for 12 weeks and then stop. A week after stopping IM test testosterone cypionate or enanthate, when your T level has dropped to low to mid normal then start taking Clomid . If you take it sooner it won’t do a thing.
If you are using Androgel than start the Clomid on the third day after you last dose since androgels half life is short.
Day one do 100-300 mg and then do 50 a day for at least three weeks…NO LESS…I actually prefer 4 weeks. Clomid is an estrogen blocker and it blocks estrogens “shutting down” affect at the hypothalamus.
It will stimulate GnRH release from the hypothalamus…then this stimulates a sleeping pituitary to release lh - leutenizing hormone - …and this hormone will stimulate shut down testis to produce testosterone.
No. JFC. Was this written by someone who has any familiarity with how testosterone and its respective esters work? (I know the answer already)
This is a remarkably dumb idea. If you want to use 100mg of test to get to high-normal then do that. But you’re going to end up exactly where you are today in three months. Your upside is capped and your downside is limitless. Tell me what the benefit is and then tell me how it outweighs the risk.
I’m 39, 6’, 195lb Active, play hockey multiple times a week and run but have been lacking the motivation after a couple years on the road to get to my previous level of energy and fitness. I don’t want anymore kids, but don’t want to be in a situation where I would permanently damage my body
The reason i’m considering this particular cycle is because of a friend who is currently on it. He’s not looking to get massive but increase motivation, mood, and quality of life by restoring T levels to that of his youth and it appears to be working for him so I’m intrigued.
You should get full blood work done. Total t, free t, shbg, e2, lh, fsh. I might be missing a few items in that list.
Your total t is not super low, but if your free t is low, you will get the symptoms you are describing. There are cases of people having higher total t than you, but because of high shbg, they have low free t.
100 mg of test a week, might make your levels lower than they are now (depends on your shbg, and overall size). In general, the average man will get 585 ng/dl on 100 mg of test a week with two injections. See this thread for the discussion.
Lots of variability in those values, but that is the average. You really are not going to get much out of this.
You may feel better for twelve weeks, but I really doubt you will end up with higher levels naturally after pct. If you want to do this, really think hard about it, and if it is right, just do trt.
I never understand when people start a thread and ask for advice then when people give them the advice they defend the same post they wanted critiqued. When I ask for advice on something its because I haven’t made my mind up and most likely the opinions of a few wise people is what will sway me in one direction. I suggest you take the advice of what these people have told you. Regardless about what you have read from that one body builder who has a forum and spins all these futuristic ideas of how to use gear never forget there is a true and proven method that works. And for someone just starting its probably best to stick to that
You say this yet you seem to have made up your mind already, regardless of the recommendations a few people very experienced in the use AAS have set out for you.
Sorry but why would you risk all the possible negatives of T use (potentially not even returning to your original 500ng/dL levels after pct is just one) just for a tiny boost to your performance and motivation for a couple months?
To me this feels like your trying to take a short cut rather then assessing your diet and training and making the nessessary changes in your overall lifestyle to better yourself. Yes it might be hard for a few weeks but once your in a routine and seeing changes you’ll thank yourself.
From a trt stand point this would make sense, but from a cycle stand point it makes no sense at all. Whatever improvements you do make on 100-150mg a week will be negligible once pct is finished plus you’ll be feeling worse then you are now during pct, which if you aren’t able to motivate yourself to keep pushing once your t nosedives you will end up back to square one. That, personally, doesnt seem like a worthwhile risk.
Hardly. The more I read, the more I question everything. And I don’t see why not wanting to go from 500 to 3000+ level is something to be given pushback on. If the come down is so harsh, as reiterated many times, why would I want to blow my levels through the roof and come down that much harder?
I personally think people should have a mountain of knowledge on training, diet, and gear use before using aas.
If your weak, and small before aas, you will be after too.
I think a point people are making is that 500 mg a week causes the same shutdown risk as 100 mg a week. You seem to think a 100 mg a week cycle is going to be faster and easier to recover from than a 500 mg a week cycle.