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Methyl Cellulose - Finaplix

Hey guys hope all is well

I was thinking about something today, first of all how and when was it determined that Finaplix implants only contain Tren Ace, Methyl Cellulose and yellow dye?

Is this all they contain or is there more?

From what I see this info came a while ago and people just adopted it, but a manufacturer stating this would be interesting to see.

Secondly, if the binders are methyl cellulose, then why do we use methanol or BA/BB to dissolve the binders. From what I’ve read methyl cellulose is solluble in water, and tren is not, so why not use water making things easier?

Thanks.

Brock Strasser used to sell conversion kits years ago. Here is a portion of a Q & A where he gives his version of how the whole “binder and glue” story got started. I have no idea if it is accurate…

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Q: I saw in one of your posts to a message board somewhere that your version of “Magic Dissolving Liquid” in your Fina kit only contains benzyl alcohol with a smidgen of benzyl benzoate. The other person selling Fina kits says that your kit won’t remove all the glue and talc from the pellets. I don’t want to inject glue or talc and I bet nobody else does either, so why can’t you make a kit that removes these things?

A: The idea that Finaplix (or Component TH) pellets contain talc and/or glue used to “hold the pellets together” was started by the late Dan Duchaine. Dan didn’t possess any real knowledge about pharmaceutical compounding so he guessed that something was needed to hold the pellets together and that “something” was talc and glue.

He never defined exactly what “glue” was either. I mean, are we talking about the remains of Mr. Ed here or are we talking about Krazy Glue? These ideas, despite being erroneous, soon spread like gospel in the underground world. However, it’s untrue, a total fabrication, and utter bullshit because Finaplix and Component TH contain neither talc nor liquefied Mr. Ed residue!

Both of these types of anabolic pellets contain yellow dye #5, methyl-cellulose (MC) and trenbolone acetate. That’s all, folks! The pellets are compressed under extreme pressure (as are most pellets and tablets) and no “glue” is used, other than the extreme pressure. None of the kits on the market remove the yellow dye and one could argue that the other guy’s kit does remove the MC and mine does not (MC is what causes the “gooey residue” in the other kit).

However, MC is essentially harmless. Don’t believe me? MC is used as a surfactant in Testosterone suspension and Winstrol-V. It keeps your stanozolol and Testosterone from clumping up and sticking to the insides of the bottle. Now I know someone is going to start an argument with me here and post all over the place that I’m wrong and that I’m only saying the pellets don’t contain talc or glue because my kit sucks and won’t remove that stuff.[/quote]

…I would think the MC is not oil soluble, or not very much so, that is just a guess. There is a contributor/poster here that seems to believe BB will not increase the solubility of MC all that much, while the addition of BA would significantly so.

I don’t have specific information on components of the product but can state:

  1. Dissolution in the presence of benzyl alcohol results in a solution which clogs filters much faster. There is a definite difference which occurs. Dissolving into straight vegetable oil only in contrast yields a clean solution which does not clog filters badly at all.

  2. When performing column chromatography, besides the trenbolone acetate which is a yellowish product eluting relatively quickly from the column, there is a brown colored (brown is simply denser yellow) material which tends to adhere to the column.

Or at least the latter was the case many years ago. I don’t know if it’s still true.

  1. In some other solvents, I think it was acetone, one can readily separate out a whitish powder. Or for that matter when dissolving in vegetable oil, a powder settles to the bottom (never established color but assume it would be white if isolated.)