Messed Up with a Girl. Help Needed

Sexual assault is unwanted sexual conduct, the woman didn’t consent to the male ejaculating inside of her, therefore I consider this a form of sexual assault, has nothing to do with meto or feminism. I think it’s a vile and unethical thing the creator of this thread did. Whether it’s a form of sexual assault/rape is up to interpretation, doesn’t make what he did any less abhorrent (the calling her a pathetic person after his misdeeds, the texting etc)

Are you serious!?

The fact that you are even discussing such an action is abhorrent.

What is wrong with you? Do you think his address should be made public? There are so many reasons why that is wrong.

Based on the given information it seems like his female friend is capable of handling her situation and already has.

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Wow what a turn this thread took. T-Nation, the new home of 3rd-wave feminist internet lynch mobs.

I had a girl roll the condom off me when I was 21 or 22. She was out-of-my-league hot, we were both also drunk and big surprise, I came inside of her super-fast and she got mad about it. That’s sexual assault now? Same scenario as above, both agreeing to raw sex. Please. It’s two dumb, drunk and horny people rolling the dice together with risky behavior.

The gal in this thread’s scenario didn’t say “NO” or “STOP” and decided to trust that this guy she met on Tinder is some master of sexual control, well, that’s on her just as much as him. It’s why no sexual education program anywhere recommends the pull-out method for pregnancy avoidance with regular partners, let alone Tinder hookups.

What crime? Can you link a law in any jurisdiction where a failed pull-out method is a criminal offense?

The guys a dick for sure but wow flip, you sound exactly like my ex-girlfriend’s dad when he accused me of raping his daughter. I was unfortunate enough to take that gem of a gal out on a date one night, probably our fourth or fifth, and watch her pound almost a fifth of Southern Comfort in 10 minutes and act like a total slut the rest of the night, which didn’t result in me having any kind of sexual contact with her except a make-out session in front of 10 other people in between her two extensive guzzles of whiskey.

My only mistake was agreeing to her request to let her sober up on my parent’s porch with a puke bucket and water instead of dropping her off at home and letting her parents take care of that trainwreck. I’m just lucky the mother had a little bit clearer picture of which one of us was the one acting responsibly that night and talked the father out of rape charges after he peeled out of my parents’ lawn. It turns out she was banging some other guy earlier that day. Who knows how a rape charge would have played out for me if they took her to the hospital that night? Just splendid, I’m sure.

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what, absolutely not, where’d you get that idea from, I was talking about it because I’m worried MY address might be up for grabs dude.

Ok,

Logic would dictate that if you and your fuck buddy are drunk and your having unprotected sex you run risk of getting some ejaculate in places you might not have intended. You should see some of the places I’ve managed to get it. This is why it is dangerous to do things drunk. Like drive an automobile, operate a table saw, fly an airplane, engage in discussions on T-Nation. All things you should probably not do drunk because you cannot ensure a safe outcome in your actions. Sex is no different.

Even sober sex is difficult to control. You have to consider what is happening from a biological stand point. It is such a primitive drive once you start it is almost out of your control. It is so engrained in our DNA. The hormones flooding through your body. It is literally like being intoxicated. Add alcohol to that and it gets worse. Or better depends on your perspective.

I mentioned earlier about how by the standards put forth by many commenting it would be fair to say what op did is eqivalent to a women saying they are on birth control telling man to ejaculate inside her meanwhile she knows she isnt and wants to get pregnant and spring a baby on this dude. What would most people say. They would say you shouldn’t have been so naive should have wrapped up anyways even though what she did is wrong your still partly to blame. I consider burden shared in ops scenario as well.

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My bad thought thats what you were saying.

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Yeah I agree, bit extreme flipcollar. Death? Maybe your having a shitty day flip. Do you legitimately feel this OP deserves to die?

Setting the standards for death kinda low. I am sure you’ve done something equally as egregious. Perhaps not sexual in nature.

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Alright bros saddle up and figure out where this piece of shit lives and see to his ruin. While you’re at it, get a list of everyone in the audience who is laughing, LAUGHING at this piece of filth making jokes - JOKES - about gross sexual assault and ruin them too.

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I’m not commenting on this to argue, but simply to say that I am closely related to several men in prison, and several women who’ve been sexually assaulted.

None of my relatives in prison have been raped, but they’ve made it clear that it happens quite often, and yes, I’ve heard the fact that when prison rape is included, more men are raped than women in the US. However, I don’t feel very bad for them. There are certainly exceptions of a maybe smaller/weaker man unfortunately being unable to stop it, and I do feel some sympathy for those guys, especially if they didn’t commit very “evil” crimes, but I know of some pedophiles/rapists from my town who’ve been treated pretty badly in prison, and I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever. Anyone who treats a child or woman (or even a man!) like that is, in my opinion, weak and cowardly, and is doing one of the most evil things you can do to a person. Is it funny? No, not really, but honestly, it seems the most fitting punishment for their crime.

Really what I wanted to comment on was your “#MeToo” comment. Perhaps you meant nothing by it, but even though I am a male, and run the risk of being accused of something by a female, just like every other male in our country, I don’t feel any resentment of that fact.

I’m Native American, and if what I’ve read is true, Native American women are more likely to be raped and murdered than any other demographic in our country. I live in the rural Midwest, and there are countless stories of Native women (some of which have been my relatives) being sexually assaulted by oil workers (not a generalization of people in that field - just the most prevalent example), going missing (presumably killed or sold into the sex trafficking industry), bodies being found in the ditches or the woods, and often, they don’t even make the news, and are ignored by police when locals raise the alarm.

You can find several sources saying around 90%, or maybe even higher, of accused rapists will go unpunished, and that many many many cases go unreported to the fear that nothing would happen if reported. I don’t refer to myself as a “feminist” or even a liberal. In fact, I tend to lean towards conservative views on most issues. But when you know that 90% of rapists go unpunished, and that there’s a very good chance your sisters, mother, grandmothers, aunts, cousins, and nieces will be assaulted, I think your opinion of how women are treated by men and how seriously you take it becomes much higher.

Again, I don’t intend to start an argument. I’m young (19), and probably didn’t write my thoughts down very well. But I’ve experienced and seen a lot in my life, and I don’t think minimizing a rape epidemic by saying “#MeToo” as a man and referencing some pedophiles in prison getting what’s coming to them as a argument against how bad women may have it is a great idea.

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Yeah you must not know a whole lot about prison culture.

Chomos=child molester in prisonspeak. They are classified as “on sight” meaning you see a chomo you beating his ass or even taking him out. That is a burden shared by everyone. You are obligated if you know someone is a chomo to do that.

Yeah you don’t feel bad for all the non violent offenders who go to jail and end up getting “turned out”. They deserve it? Only women find rape traumatizing then I guess. Honestly, that topic should be for another thread.

Rapist belong in prison. OP is not a rapist. That is the only thing I am discussing here. Stay on track young buck.

I was being satirical bruh.

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I don’t. Never been there. You sound like you want people to think you know a ton about it. Bruh.

(Thanks for explaining the very common term chomos, btw.)

I said I do feel sympathy for men who didn’t commit violent crimes, yet still are assualted. Really though, the whole point was really about not minimizing the fact that it’s a real issue for women.

These don’t discuss whether or not the OP is a rapist. Yet they’re somewhat related to the general topic. Like mine was - you said something, and I commented on it. Just like you’ve done.

Was not trying to argue, I simply was not sophisticated enough to laugh at your clever satire. My bad - bruh.

Ok

To continue on this tangent. Your first post presented prison rape as if it predominantly happens to child molesters and is only minimally a problem for individuals outside that category. That is false 100 %. 1 in 5 inmates have admitted to being sexually assaulted in prison. Likely and underestimation for obvious reasons. Roughly 10 % are in for sex offenses not all of which are likely to be rape or child molestation. So no most men who are raped in prison are not child molesters.

I do know a whole lot about prison culture bruh. I’ve watched nearly every episode of Fresh Out Life After the Penitentiary. Basically I am an expert on the subject.

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I don’t think you’re following the entire context of this discussion, and both of oglebee’s comments were well within that context. We seem to have two camps in this thread. People who believe a serious crime has taken place, and those who don’t. I fall into the latter, which is why I’ve called out some of the people who’ve come out strong - REALLY STRONG against the OP.

Nobody is saying he acted well, but there’s a huge, HUGE difference between sexual assault and sexual ineptitude mixed with two-party bad decision-making.

Nobody here is high-fiving the guy. Nobody here is suggesting that rapists do not belong in prison, but OP is not a rapist. People have suggested we doxx him and report his internet post to his local police as a crime, which is absurd in my opinion.

You seem quite bright for such a young guy, by the way. Re-read the discussion, it might be useful to a well-spoken young man with (presumably) good intentions towards women.

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Not to scare you, but if you’re on the web there are tools that can track back to the serial number on the mother chip/board of what ever device you’re using.

Hmmmm I somehow doubt anyone’s using those tools to track me, you’ve made me very nervous though lol. Why’d you have to mention that!!!

Sometimes ignorance is bliss haha

Its part of virtually all developed nations internet communications protocols.

You know that little bit you have to do setting up a new computer, name, etc? There’s a little thing called your CID. That packet with all of that info gets sent back and forth every time you communicate with another computer/server.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (seriously, was the dude who created this thread drunk when he created it?)

What… No when women do this (and I’m aware it happens) it should be considered a criminal offence, it isn’t the man’s fault in any way. The same can be said for poking holes in condoms, the partner did not consent, therefore I consider it to be a form of sexual assault, especially if the partner EXPLICITLY tells the other partner “don’t do this”, however if one is using condoms I think the notion “don’t poke holes in my condoms” is implied/commonsense. While you can say “well people sometimes get caught up in the moment and do things like a finger up the bum”, the consequence of a finger up the ass is minimal, the consequence from poking a hole in a condom, lying about being in the pill or ejaculating inside someone against their will is potential pregnancy, this is a far more dire consequence than the chance of shit on your finger. If a girl commits a crime like this I find it equally appalling. Not all girls will want to take the emergency morning after pill, some for religious reasons or beliefs and others because it can have fucking nasty side effects, therefore now forcing this girl to either take the pill of get preggos isn’t fair, and an abortion isn’t something one can take lightly. The potential consequences of this guy’s actions are heavy, with this added to the fact the partner didn’t consent, I consider this action to be severe enough to label it as sexual assault. The dude clearly made a terrible decision and acted like a total asshole. Being depressed/drunk is no excuse for being a shithead THE DAY after either.

Odd flex but okay. What she did in this scenario was sexual assault. Her being hot is irrelevant.

What crime? Can you link a law in any jurisdiction where a failed pull-out method is a criminal offense?
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According to a Law Journal, once expert would rule it battery.

Nonconsensual Insemination: Battery. Cusack, CM. (2012). Journal of Law and Social Deviance, Vol. 3, 2012.

You may dismiss what I posted above as “Third wave feminism” nonsense, and although not a link to a law, it’s legitimate research that prosecutors would turn to in court and make the case. Also wouldn’t be a bad framework for legislators to update laws that aren’t in place.

I think the article is reasonable since kissing somebody without consent is battery, so is spitting on somebody or even throwing a drink at somebody.

I wouldn’t expect you to think that a man who inseminates a girl against her expectation and has her risk pregnancy and/or STDs/STIs doesnt deserve some kind of punishment? If this was a female friend or family member, would you be so forgiving?

In this case I disagree. If he kept going and didn’t mind after the condom was off it isn’t sexual assault. If he had specifically said beforehand “don’t roll the condom off” then it’s sexual assault (although it should be implied) it’s a very thin, grey line as to what is and isn’t sexual assault, and it will be interpreted differently by different individuals. However I do consider it to be sexual assault if a partner specifically says “don’t unload your high fructose porn syrup into my cock socket” and he proceeds to do so anyway or if a dude says “you’re on the pill” and the girl says “yea, don’t worry” but she isn’t on the pill, that’s also sexual assault.

Regardless of the gravity of the offence(which I’m not going to be going into), given that it can be construed as one of a sexual nature, don’t you think you should ask the victim if she wishes to make the report first rather than deciding on her behalf?

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