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Melanotan I & II Info Sticky

With all the sticky whoring run amuck, I figured why not?

These peptides are getting really popular and I thought if the other stickys are good enough, then this certainly merits a sticky of it’s own as well.

In my opinion this is a solid piece of information for those wishing to use the products.

Melanotan and Melanotan II

Article by PartyBoy - MuscleTalk Moderator

Pharmaceutical Names of Actual and Related Peptides: CUV1647, PT-141, Clinuvel, Epitan, Bremelanotide
Common Brand/Trade/Slang Names: Melanotan, Melanotan II, MT, MTII, MT-II, MT2, MT-2

Amino Acid Structure:
Melanotan - Ac-Ser-Tyr-Ser-Nle-Glu-His-D-Phe-Arg-Trp-Gly-Lys-Pro-Val-NH2 or [Nle4, D-Phe7]-alpha-MSH
Melanotan II - Ac-Nle-cyclo[Asp-His-D-Phe-Arg-Trp-Lys]-NH2
Bremelanotide - Ac-Nle-cyclo[Asp-His-D-Phe-Arg-Trp-Lys]-OH or cyclo-[Nle4, Asp5, D-Phe7, Lys10]alpha-MSH-(4-10)

Molecular Formula and Molecular Weight:
Melanotan �?? C78H111N21O19 1646.85 Dalton
Melanotan II �?? C50H69N15O9 1024.18 Dalton
Bremelanotide �?? C50H68N14O10 1025.16 Dalton

Peptide Hormone Base: alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone (α-MSH) Delivery Method: Injectable at this time though transdermal, oral, nasal and implanted pellet form are forthcoming Half Life: 30-60 minutes Typical Vial Contents: 10mg lyophilised white powder. Requires reconstitution with bacteriostatic water to provide an injectable solution.

BACKGROUND:

Melanotan (MT) and Melanotan II (MT-II) are both analogs of the alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone (α-MSH) which is produced within the pituitary gland. Along with other melanocortins, they are responsible for various internal human functions including skin and hair pigmentation, appetite, libido and physical sexual arousal. Whilst these effects have been observed in both sexes, it is worth noting that increases in libido and sexual function are exclusive to MT-II. This article will primarily look at the tanning and pigmentation properties of the hormone, though it would be foolish to ignore the other effects which are discussed further in the Side Effects section.

Prompted by ultraviolet (UV) exposure, α-MSH release consequently stimulates production of melanin from the melanocytes within the skin. Melanin, as I’m sure you are aware, is a brown pigment and responsible for the tanning of the skin. Simply put, more α-MSH means more melanin, resulting in greater skin pigmentation. Since bodybuilding is such an aesthetic pursuit, and with darker skin that accentuates muscularity, it’s little wonder that these drugs are in such high demand.

Currently, analogs based upon MT and MT-II are undergoing clinical trials, with a view to bringing medicinal products to market. These synthetic variants of α-MSH were developed at the University of Arizona during the 1980s. Australian based Clinuvel Pharmaceuticals Limited have marketing rights to MT (CUV1647), with their primary market being individuals with adverse reaction to UV exposure. This includes those with Polymorphous Light eruption (PLE/PMLE) and Actinic Keratosis (AKs or solar keratosis) where skin is intolerant to UV and characterised by severe sores, lumps, itching or burning sensations, or dry skin lesions/growths. You might think that this peptide would be an ideal treatment for pure albinos. However, these individuals are generally not deficient in α-MSH, but instead are have zero melanocyte receptor binding. Therefore, merely increasing circulatory levels of α-MSH or its analogs is futile. Palatin Technologies Inc. based in the United States, has instead focused on an analog of MT-II. Licensed as Bremelanotide (formerly PT-141), this is aimed squarely at the sexual dysfunction market, more specifically, erectile dysfunction (ED) in men. However, early (phase I & II) clinical trials have also been performed using female subjects with results being described by the company as ‘encouraging’.

Both Melanotan and Melanotan II have been shown in the clinical setting to increase pigmentation without exposure to UV, a feature that is also confirmed anecdotally by users that report tanning in areas of the body that would seldom see the light of day! However, the process of tanning is greatly expedited by UV exposure. It is worth noting that tanning effects may not be uniform throughout the skin. This is in part due to the half life and distribution of the drug itself, but primarily in response to the concentration of melanocytes within certain areas of the skin. Most will notice the greatest tanning effect on the face, arms, abdominal region. Interestingly, the genitals have one of the highest concentrations of melanocytes enabling these particular areas to respond very well to the peptide in conjunction with UV exposure.

As I’m sure you can appreciate, the development of these peptides has not gone unnoticed by the general population and as a result, there has been an explosion of suppliers looking to exploit such demand, with the peptides being formulated and originating largely from China. Although not classed as controlled substances in the UK, they are viewed as medicinal substances by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). While this means that you can legally possess them for personal use, sale or supply is dependant upon whether the product holds a Marketing Authorisation (product licence) valid for the UK. Since I cannot find any evidence of this, nor would I expect to at this juncture of development, suppliers plying their trade within the UK are doing so illegally.

SUGGESTED CYCLES AND USES:

If you look hard enough out there, you will find some weird and wonderful dosaging schedules whereby the user calculates their daily dosage by multiplying their bodyweight by a cofactor. Perhaps this approach has been adopted since this has been the method employed in the ongoing clinical studies. Typically, this type of formula would suggest a dose of 1mg of MT-II per day for someone weighing in at a mere 110lb (50kg). The cynical among us might be forgiven for thinking that these formulae are constructed by those with a personal interest in the sale of the product as I believe this to be more than necessary to achieve a great result. Indeed, there are many instances whereby users feel they have become too dark. While I have no problem with a bodyweight dosage scale in principle, I can’t help thinking that it’s not only unnecessary (particularly for the mathematically challenged), but also avoids the ability to gradually increase dosages from a relatively low level; something which I would advocate to assess individual tolerance levels to side effects, especially in the case of MT-II.

Clinical trials to determine efficacy of the drugs have typically used dosages up to 0.21mg/kg daily for Melanotan (16mg for a 75kg (165lb) individual), and up to 0.03mg/kg daily for Melanotan II (2.25mg for a 75kg (165lb) individual). More typically however, trials have used the dosages of 0.16mg/kg (12mg) and 0.025mg/kg (1.875mg) respectively. At this level of dosage, one such study involving Melanotan indicated the following incidences of side effects from subjects:

Nausea 85%
Facial Flushing 75%
Fatigue 44%
Vomiting 26%
Injection site reactions 13%
Zero incidence of erections
No change in vital signs or haematological parameters, blood biochemistry (liver and renal function)
As is the case with any drug use, the user is ideally looking to minimise unwanted side effects, whilst still achieving an acceptable outcome. With this in mind, I would suggest that a tapering up of dosages is used in order to assess the individual’s personal tolerance to the side effects.

Both MT and MT II can be used for extended periods, whereby there is an initial daily administration of perhaps 2-3 weeks or until desired level of pigmentation has been achieved, followed by a maintenance phase of two injections per week.

MELANOTAN:

Start with a dose of 1mg daily for the first two or three days and, if level of side effects permit, look to increase dosage by 0.25mg every day over the next several days until you reach a daily dosage of 2-3mg. This level should be adequate for most users, though some may wish to increase yet further, perhaps as high as 5mg daily in order to achieve a very deep tan. A maintenance phase as described above is then used.

MELANOTAN II:

Start with a dose of 0.25mg. If side effects (primarily nausea) are not proving troublesome, attempt to increase daily dosage by 0.25mg where possible, until you reach 1-1.5mg daily. Most have found that this level will yield a very pleasing result and I can’t see much point in increasing too much further unless a very deep tan was desired. As with Melanotan, once the desired level of tanning is reached, a maintenance phase is used.

ADMINISTRATION:

Both MT and MT II are currently supplied as white lyophilised powder contained in a sealed multi-use vial. The peptide is susceptible to temperature degradation and should be shipped preferably with an ice pack though contrary to popular belief, the rate of degradation is very slow (weeks) in its powder form, so there’s no need to be alarmed if yours wasn’t shipped in this manner or you are unable to collect your package from a depot for a day or two. Once delivered, the powder is best stored in a freezer, or refrigerated if this is not possible.

To prepare for injection, it must be reconstituted with bacteriostatic water. You may use anything between 1ml and 5ml of water for your vial. Dependant upon the amount of water used will determine the concentration of your solution. For example, a 10mg vial of Melanotan II mixed with 1ml of water will provide a solution of 10mg per 1ml (10mg/ml). This means that a 1mg dose will require a shot of 0.1ml. Bearing in mind that the recommended starting dose is 0.25mg, using the example above, the actual volume of the shot would be 0.025ml (¼ of 1 tenth of a ml). This is a very small volume and very difficult to accurately dose even with a 0.5ml insulin syringe. Therefore, at least until your dosages have increased, it is suggested that you use more water for your vial.

An example of a good solution would be to mix 10mg of Melanotan II powder with 4ml of bacteriostatic water. This now provides:

10mg/4ml or 1mg/0.4ml or 0.25mg/0.1ml

0.1ml can be accurately measured using a 0.5ml or 1ml syringe.

Obviously, as your dosages become higher, you may dilute subsequent vials with lower amounts of water to reduce the volume of each shot. I would recommend that when you are using a dosage of 1mg, you reconstitute the vial with 1ml or 2ml of water so that each shot will be 0.1ml or 0.2ml respectively.

The injection is given into the sub-cutaneous layer which includes adipose tissue (fat), as in the figure below:

If you are using insulin syringes which have short needles, you will need to enter the skin at 90°. to the skin, otherwise you can inject as shown in the illustration above with a 29 or 30 gauge, 0.5" needle.

I would suggest that you use standard 1ml syringes to which you can interchange needles as required. By doing so, you are able to attach any gauge/length you want to reconstitute and draw the solution (I use a 25guage 1" needle). Once done, simply attach your suitable needle for the injection. Following the injection, ensure that you pull back the plunger a little to ‘reclaim’ the solution that is contained within the needle itself. The syringe/needle is then placed in the refridgerator for storage until your next injection is due whereby you will attach a brand new injection needle. This process is repeated until you have administered all of the solution in that particular syringe.

Alternatively, you may pre-load insulin syringes and refrigerate until needed. However, because they have non-detachable needles, this can be quite cumbersome as they require loading from the rear.

Instability of the peptide is a much greater issue once reconstituted so you don’t want it sitting in the fridge for months on end. Ideally one 10mg vial of MT-II could be shared by two people (each having their own syringe/needles) so even during the maintenance phase of two injections per week of 1mg each; the longest it will be reconstituted for is 2.5 weeks.

MAJOR DIFFERENCES:

I’m guessing by now the question on most people’s mind would be which of the two is better? The short answer is Melanotan for the obvious reason that it facilitates tanning with limited side effects. It is for this reason that this analogue is being trialled with a view to bringing it to market by Clinuvel. They would be faced with an almost impossible mission had they chosen instead MT-II to develop and place before the regulatory authorities for approval. This is due to the host of extra side effects commonly encountered by users of this analogue, perhaps also coupled with the fact that the side effects that are shared with Melanotan appear more pronounced. However, in terms of monetary cost, and perhaps also a desire to experience and utilise the other side effects, most prospective users will choose Melanotan II.

Melanotan’s peptide structure is very closely matched to that of our endogenously produced alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone (α-MSH). It is a specific agonist of the melanocortin-1 receptor (MC-1R) which is primarily responsible for skin colour and is found on melanocyte cells.

Melanotan II on the other hand has a much shorter sequence of amino acids and because of this quite pronounced change in length and structure, is an agonist of the range of melanocortin receptors. Perhaps more importantly, binding at receptors other than MC-1R is far greater than that of Melanotan. This ‘shotgun effect’ agonism of the full spectrum of different melanocortin receptors results in some effects that are only witnessed from MT-II. Most notably, increases in sexual arousal are due to MT-II’s activation of MC-3R and MC-4R.

Because the amino acid sequence is much shorter in the case of MT-II, there is therefore a much greater density of peptide chains than is present using MT within a given set weight. Although the receptor binding affinity of MT-II may not be quite as effective, there will be much more peptide chains than for MT on a mg for mg basis so effectively you require much less in terms of milligram weight of Melanotan II to achieve similar results. This accounts for the wide difference in suggested dosages for each peptide and of course, makes MT-II a much cheaper proposition.

EFFECTS / SIDE EFFECTS

MELANOTAN / MELANOTAN II

Skin pigmentation Skin pigmentation
Nausea Nausea
Appetite suppression Appetite suppression
Flushing (esp. facial) Flushing (esp. facial)
Headache Headache
Lethargy Lethargy
Itching Itching
Dizziness Dizziness
New mole appearance or darkening New mole appearance or darkening
Hyperpigmentation Hyperpigmentation
White patches White patches
Increased libido
Physical sexual arousal
Anaphylactic shock?

Of the above listed effects/side effects, it is worth bearing in mind that the prevalence and severity are witnessed to a greater degree from Melanotan II. Indeed, most will find Melanotan very comfortable to use, typically only experiencing minor nausea, appetite suppression and flushing.

Although side effects do become less troublesome with each administration of MT or MT-II, most users will experience at least some of the side effect to varying degrees, most commonly nausea, appetite suppression, facial flushing and dull headaches. These will typically become apparent within a few minutes of administration but can last for many hours. In the case of MT-II, increases in libido are often seen in conjunction with outwardly physical signs of sexual arousal whereby the male user experiences prolonged periods of increased blood flow to the penis. This particular side effect does not diminish in severity over time and instances of occurrence are to be expected throughout the period of MT-II use. As I’m sure you can appreciate, this aspect may prove embarrassing and perhaps quite uncomfortable, so I must stress again the importance of building dosage up gradually to assess personal tolerance and susceptibility.

Some users will notice the new appearance of freckles as these particular areas of skin have increased melanin. The good news is that as the tan is developed, the visual appearance of them will diminish, probably completely. Moles commonly become darker too as these are actually highly concentrated clusters of melanocytes. Both of these occurrences will reverse some time after discontinuation of the peptide and suntanning is ceased.

In addition to freckles and mole changes, there are fairly rare reports of a phenomenon called hyperpigmentation. This is typified by blotches of darkened skin, normally much larger than regular moles. Not all incidences of hyperpigmentation are attributable to increased melanocyte activity even though their appearance may only become apparent during melanocortin receptor agonism by Melanotan I or II. This condition is specifically referred to as diffuse hyperpigmentation, with many possible underlying causes or disorders including Addison’s disease, haemochromatosis, hyperthyroidism and certain medications which may induce phototoxic reactions.

Previously unseen white spots or white patches of skin may also become apparent as the tan deepens. Again, this is not thought to occur as a direct result of using Melanotan, rather it merely uncovers the underlying condition. There are a range of actual causes. White spots (typically 2-5mm in size) may be the result of Idiopathic guttate hypomelanosis where there are reductions in the number of melanocytes and melanin in those particular areas. Larger white areas of skin may be due to Tinea versicolor which is a fungal infection caused by the yeast Malassezia furfur which is found on the skin and is not normally troublesome. Treatment would normally include an oral or topical anti-fungal though it may take many weeks for the skin tone to become consistent with surrounding areas.

It has been suggested that due to the greater difference of MT-II to our own α-MSH, there is a greater chance of the body to view the peptide as a ‘foreign body’ and produce an allergic response. This could potentially trigger anaphylaxis, a potentially life threatening situation whereby large amounts of histamine are produced by the body which can lead to a host of effects including severe bronchoconstriction and rapid drops in blood pressure.

References
Hadley ME, Dorr RT
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Melanocortin peptide therapeutics: historical milestones, clinical studies and commercialization.

Hadley ME.
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Discovery that a melanocortin regulates sexual functions in male and female humans.

Zheng H, Patterson LM, Phifer CB, Berthoud HR
Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2005 Jul;289(1):R247-58. Epub 2005 Mar 3
Brain stem melanocortinergic modulation of meal size and identification of hypothalamic POMC projections

Grill HJ, Ginsberg AB, Seeley RJ, Kaplan JM
J Neurosci. 1998 Dec 1;18(23):10128-35
Brainstem application of melanocortin receptor ligands produces long-lasting effects on feeding and body weight.

Shrestha YB, Wickwire K, Giraudo SQ
Neuroreport. 2004 Jun 7;15(8):1365-7
Action of MT-II on ghrelin-induced feeding in the paraventricular nucleus of the hypothalamus.

Trivedi P, Jiang M, Tamvakopoulos CC, Shen X, Yu H, Mock S, Fenyk-Melody J, Van der Ploeg LH, Guan XM
Brain Res. 2003 Jul 11;977(2):221-30
Exploring the site of anorectic action of peripherally administered synthetic melanocortin peptide MT-II in rats.

Dorr RT, Ertl G, Levine N, Brooks C, Bangert JL, Powell MB, Humphrey S, Alberts DS.
Arch Dermatol. 2004 Jul;140(7):827-35
Effects of a superpotent melanotropic peptide in combination with solar UV radiation on tanning of the skin in human volunteers.

Dorr RT, Dvorakova K, Brooks C, Lines R, Levine N, Schram K, Miketova P, Hruby V, Alberts DS.
Photochem Photobiol. 2000 Oct;72(4):526-32
Increased eumelanin expression and tanning is induced by a superpotent melanotropin [Nle4-D-Phe7]-alpha-MSH in humans.

Barnetson RS, Ooi TK, Zhuang L, Halliday GM, Reid CM, Walker PC, Humphrey SM, Klienig MJ
J Invest Dermatol. 2006 Aug;126(8):1869-78. Epub 2006 Jun 8
[Nle4-D-Phe7]-alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone significantly increased pigmentation and decreased UV damage in fair-skinned Caucasian volunteers.

Dorr RT, Lines R, Levine N, Brooks C, Xiang L, Hruby VJ, Hadley ME
Life Sci. 1996;58(20):1777-84
Evaluation of Melanotan-II, a superpotent cyclic melanotropic peptide in a pilot phase-I clinical study

Diamond LE, Earle, DC, Heiman JR, Rosen RC, Perelman MA, Harning R
J Sex Med. 2006 Jul;3(4):628-38.
An effect on the subjective sexual response in pre-menopausal women with sexual arousal disorder by bremelanotide (PT-141), a melanocortin receptor agonist.

Wessells H, Gralnek D, Dorr R, Hruby VJ, Hadley ME, Levine N
Urology. 2000 Oct 1;56(4):641-6.
Effect of an alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone analog on penile erection and sexual desire in men with organic erectile dysfunction.

Wessells H, Fuciarelli K, Hansen J, Hadley ME, Hruby VJ, Hadley ME, Levine N
J Urol. 1998 Aug;160(2):389-93
Synthetic melanotropic peptide initiates erections in men with psychogenic erectile dysfunction: double-blind, placebo controlled crossover study.

Molinoff PB, Shadiack AM, Earle D, Diamond LE, Quon Cy
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2003 Jun;994:96-102.
PT-141: a melanocortin agonist for the treatment of sexual dysfunction.

Wessels H, Hruby VJ, Hackett J, Han G, Balse-Srinivasan P, Vanderah TW
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2003 Jun;994:90-5
MT-II induces penile erection via brain and spinal mechanisms.

So there you have it. A thorough and well articulated complete breakdown of all things MELANOTAN.

How bout a sticky on this TC??

ToneBone

As I was saying in another thread, I believe Melanotan I is the better of the two. This seems to confirm that also.
While it will be more expensive to use than M2, and take a bit longer to hit, the sides are much less pronounced as I was saying. Once you look around and get a decent source, the cost isn’t that big a deal. So for my money, it will be Melanotan I from here out. Lot of good stuff there for everyone. Hope you all like it.

ToneBone

Agreed, answered all my questions.
Thanks Tony

[quote]Higgins wrote:
Agreed, answered all my questions.
Thanks Tony[/quote]

Yeah, it was overdue for this subject I think.
It’s a blatant copy and paste, but so are several other stickies right? Lol. As long as the source is solid, and informative, then it will benefit a lot of people instead of being another subject to clutter up all the forum with different logs/threads/questions etc.

Good luck with everything Higgins.

Blatant!

Good work!

:smiley:

I might do one on proviron… or on using deca without Test…! lmao! :wink:

What kind of narcissistic douche makes a sticky?

:wink:

[quote] Brook wrote:
Blatant!

Good work!

:smiley:

I might do one on proviron… or on using deca without Test…! lmao! ;)[/quote]

Aren’t they all to some degree right? Lmao.

Maybe you can give one of the analogs a go down the road here eh Brook? Looks like your current thing is going real good. I’m glad. When you get tired of being labeled “too white”, as someone said on that thread, get some slin’s and hit up the Melanotan!

Thanks mate.

[quote] Brook wrote:
Blatant!

Good work!

:smiley:

I might do one on proviron… or on using deca without Test…! lmao! ;)[/quote]

That’s what we need. More newbs creating more stickies.

People need to understand that ITZ knows dick about MT.

DO not seek him out for advice on this. There are several very educational sites full of experts one should check out before going off something a noob has copied and pasted, and begged his way to a sticky.

Mods: This thread is not sticky material.

“Article by PartyBoy - MuscleTalk Moderator”

Come on RJ, he did give credit where it was due.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Brook wrote:
Blatant!

Good work!

:smiley:

I might do one on proviron… or on using deca without Test…! lmao! :wink:

That’s what we need. More newbs creating more stickies.

People need to understand that ITZ knows dick about MT.

DO not seek him out for advice on this. There are several very educational sites full of experts one should check out before going off something a noob has copied and pasted, and begged his way to a sticky.

Mods: This thread is not sticky material. [/quote]

Damn give me a break already with the bullshit.
I’m not anywhere near as noobish as 75% of the current population on this forum. And I STATED it was copied and pasted, just like Mak’s shit on prohormones and some other stickies are too. The point is that it is current and accurate information. And it’s not me dying to give people advice, it’s information there for whoever the fuck wants it.
You want to tell me what part of this sticky is “unqualified” or "incorrect/inaccurate information, go right ahead, I’m waiting…

And I hardly “begged” my way to a sticky.

Lmao.

I don’t give a fuck, if the people on this forum, (not you), don’t want it here, that’s fine by me.

Later

wtf happened to rainjack and Mak’s comments?

Am I hallucinating or is T-Nation being weird with posts today?

[quote]kayveeay wrote:
wtf happened to rainjack and Mak’s comments?

Am I hallucinating or is T-Nation being weird with posts today?[/quote]

Yeah there is definitely something weird going on.
As you can see, they are now back up though.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
just like Mak’s shit on prohormones and some other stickies are too.[/quote]

Just to be clear, I wrote about a third of that just going off memory. I looked up a bit more and the rest is thanks to iannotti who kindly provided more information which I was able to add to the first post.

But either way, ITZ’s post has who wrote it originally at the start of the post.

[quote]kayveeay wrote:
wtf happened to rainjack and Mak’s comments?

Am I hallucinating or is T-Nation being weird with posts today?[/quote]

Not just today.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Brook wrote:
Blatant!

Good work!

:smiley:

I might do one on proviron… or on using deca without Test…! lmao! :wink:

That’s what we need. More newbs creating more stickies.

People need to understand that ITZ knows dick about MT.

DO not seek him out for advice on this. There are several very educational sites full of experts one should check out before going off something a noob has copied and pasted, and begged his way to a sticky.

Mods: This thread is not sticky material.

Damn give me a break already with the bullshit.
I’m not anywhere near as noobish as 75% of the current population on this forum. And I STATED it was copied and pasted, just like Mak’s shit on prohormones and some other stickies are too. The point is that it is current and accurate information. And it’s not me dying to give people advice, it’s information there for whoever the fuck wants it.
You want to tell me what part of this sticky is “unqualified” or "incorrect/inaccurate information, go right ahead, I’m waiting…

And I hardly “begged” my way to a sticky.

Lmao.

I don’t give a fuck, if the people on this forum, (not you), don’t want it here, that’s fine by me.

Later
[/quote]

I call bullshit where I see it. Your copy paste is from another BBing site. We have several threads that are as good, in not better than what you posted - but you seem to think that a copy/paste job is worthy of a sticky.

It is obvious that you don’t give a fuck. That is the attitude you and the piece of shit have given this entire forum.

Since when did this forum need a fucking sticky for everything?

I won’t give you a fucking break until you stop acting like you know a fucking thing when it is obvious that you clueless.

Most of Mak’s shit was his own writing, as he said.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Brook wrote:
Blatant!

Good work!

:smiley:

I might do one on proviron… or on using deca without Test…! lmao! :wink:

That’s what we need. More newbs creating more stickies.

People need to understand that ITZ knows dick about MT.

DO not seek him out for advice on this. There are several very educational sites full of experts one should check out before going off something a noob has copied and pasted, and begged his way to a sticky.

Mods: This thread is not sticky material.

Damn give me a break already with the bullshit.
I’m not anywhere near as noobish as 75% of the current population on this forum. And I STATED it was copied and pasted, just like Mak’s shit on prohormones and some other stickies are too. The point is that it is current and accurate information. And it’s not me dying to give people advice, it’s information there for whoever the fuck wants it.
You want to tell me what part of this sticky is “unqualified” or "incorrect/inaccurate information, go right ahead, I’m waiting…

And I hardly “begged” my way to a sticky.

Lmao.

I don’t give a fuck, if the people on this forum, (not you), don’t want it here, that’s fine by me.

Later

I call bullshit where I see it. Your copy paste is from another BBing site. We have several threads that are as good, in not better than what you posted - but you seem to think that a copy/paste job is worthy of a sticky.

It is obvious that you don’t give a fuck. That is the attitude you and the piece of shit have given this entire forum.

Since when did this forum need a fucking sticky for everything?

I won’t give you a fucking break until you stop acting like you know a fucking thing when it is obvious that you clueless.

Most of Mak’s shit was his own writing, as he said.

[/quote]

Since when is one third equal to “most”?

The gyno sticky is also from memory too I suppose eh? No copy and paste there at all.

Look, it doesn’t matter where it’s from rainjack. The information is pertinant and accurate. Show me where it isn’t? Go on and show me, where is it inaccurate?

The other threads are great sure, but they are mostly logs and such. This has all the info 99% of the people need who are going to use the stuff right there up front.

If myself and Brook are so insignificant and all the other things you say we are, then why do you waste so much of your precious time “warning” all the rest of the guys here about us huh?

Are you saying that the other folks here are not smart enough to judge for themselves what kind of persons we are, and whether or not the information we post on is worth a shit?

You got the sticky removed, congratufuckinglations.

Now if you don’t mind, go somewhere else since this thread is just crap to you. Or man up and show me the innacuracies in the above information. The point here is to help other people. That information qualifies as such.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
just like Mak’s shit on prohormones and some other stickies are too.

Just to be clear, I wrote about a third of that just going off memory. I looked up a bit more and the rest is thanks to iannotti who kindly provided more information which I was able to add to the first post.

But either way, ITZ’s post has who wrote it originally at the start of the post.[/quote]

And what do you think of the post then Mak?
Does it look like something worthwhile to the forum here or not in your opinion? Yes or no.

I’m all ears.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Makavali wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
just like Mak’s shit on prohormones and some other stickies are too.

Just to be clear, I wrote about a third of that just going off memory. I looked up a bit more and the rest is thanks to iannotti who kindly provided more information which I was able to add to the first post.

But either way, ITZ’s post has who wrote it originally at the start of the post.

And what do you think of the post then Mak?
Does it look like something worthwhile to the forum here or not in your opinion? Yes or no.

I’m all ears.[/quote]

Let’s hear from the forum.

Who agrees with me that this information is indeed helpful and could have been a sticky considering the merit of the other topics and their info which would include prohormones?

Let’s have a count. If you agree it is worthy then say Yes,
if not say no.

Me- Yes

For the sake of mediation,

I agree that this is pertinent information, and that it doesn’t matter if you copied it and pasted it, you stated where you got it from.

However, we don’t really need a sticky for EVERYTHING.

Esp. Melanotan… which a lot of people don’t even know what it is or care about using.

Gyno, newb cycle threads, steroid profiles, ph profiles… I see the need, but I don’t think we need a sticky on GH, GHRP, Ghrelin, IGF-1, Insulin, and everything under the sun.

That being said it’s a great post with lots of great info, that someone should be able to search for if they have questions or need info on melanotan.

But sticky… ehh… I hate scrolling down through a ton of stickies to get to the hot threads.

However, it shouldn’t be a cause for such a verbal rampage.

No.

Great information, but too specific… won’t help enough people to warrant a sticky. My .02