Mein Kampf and Al Qaeda

Just wanting to share this, as I thought it to be rather interesting. It puts to bed any notions that Al Qaeda is simply reacting to US aggression. Their own literature makes it very clear that they are not only expansionists, but advocate the raiding of “infidel lands.” Also, Al Qaeda calls for the killing of any American or Jew. No, not just zionists or those evil Israelis. Jews, period. Submit or die.

Speaking of Jews, it’s telling that both, Mein Kampf and The Al Qaeda Reader, sound awfully familiar. Almost like certain individual(s) dedicated to jewish conspiracies on this very forum. Great company, really.

But anywho, I didn’t really get into much detail in my comments, so please, check it out.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTkxYTI0NGNkNGUxZjg2ZDkxNmQ2MjVhYjM1N2NmNzE=

Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone. [/quote]

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?

[quote]lixy wrote:

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?[/quote]

Yes.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?[/quote]

Was pre-2001 western Europe the Sleeper Cell manifesto that it is today?

My guess is no.

Once again, Europe: All Ur Base R Belong to Radical Islam!

I did not read the article all the way through, but I have one of my own. Sorry, no link, it was sent to me via e-mail:

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It always seems a little strange to have an Irish-Catholic talking about Yom Ha Shoah. I had an unusual education in the Holocaust. When I was working for the Attorney
General, I was assigned to do the classified research about the Holocaust, so I went underground to a little town called Suitland, Maryland, right outside
Washington, D.C. and that’s where the US Government buries its secrets - - literally.

There are twenty vaults underground and each vault is one acre in size. Anyone see the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark? The last scene of that movie is what the underground vaults are really like, only not as organized as they are in the movie. And in those underground vaults
I discovered something horrible.

I learned that many of the Nazis that I had been assigned to prosecute were on the CIA payroll, but the CIA didn’t know they were Nazis because the British Intelligence Service had lied to them. What the British Intelligence Service didn’t know was that their liar was Kim Philby, the Soviet communist double agent – a little scandal of the Cold War. But our State Department swept it all
under the rug and allowed the Nazis to stay in America until I was stupid enough to go public with it.

What do you do when you want to go public with a story like this one? You call up 60 Minutes. We had a great time. Mike Wallace gave me 30 minutes on his
show. For a long time, it was the longest segment that 60 minutes ever did. When the episode about Nazis in America went on the air back in 1982, it caused a minor national uproar. Congress demanded hearings, Mike Wallace got the Emmy award, and my family got the death threats. It was a great trip.

Then a funny thing happened. Over the last 25 years, every retired spy in the U.S. and Canada and England all wanted me to be their lawyer, for free of course. So I had 500 clients, they paid me $1 apiece. So I am the worst paid
lawyer in America, but among the better employed.
Let me give you an example. This year a friend of mine from the CIA, named Bob Baer wrote a very good book about Saudi Arabia and terrorism, it’s called Sleeping with the Devil. I read the book and I got about a third of the way through and I stopped. Bob was writing how when he worked for the CIA how bad the files were.

He said, for example, the files for the Muslim Brotherhood were almost nothing. There were just a few newspaper clippings. I called Bob up and said,
“Bob, that’s wrong. The CIA has enormous files on the Muslim Brotherhood, volumes of them. I know because I read them a quarter of a century ago.”

He said, “What do you mean? Here’s how you can find all of the missing secrets about the Muslim Brotherhood
– and you can do this too.” I said, "Bob, go to your computer and type in two words into the search part. Type the word “Vanna,”

“V-a-n-n-a.” He said,

“Yeah.”

Type in “Nazi.”

Bob typed the two words in, and out came 30 to 40 articles from around the world. He read them and called me back and said,

“Oh my God, what have we done?”

What I’m doing today is doing what I’m doing now: I’m educating a new generation in the CIA that the Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist organization that was hired
by Western Intelligence that evolved over time into what we today know as al Qaeda.

Here’s how the story began. In the 1920’s there was a young Egyptian named al Bana. And al Bana formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood.

Al Bana was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930’s, al Bana and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence.

The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official
policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt.
When war broke out, the Muslim Brotherhood promised in writing that they would rise up and help General Rommell and make sure that no English or American soldier was left alive in Cairo or Alexandria.

The Muslim Brotherhood began to expand in scope and influence during World War II. They even had a Palestinian section headed by the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, one of the great bigots of all time. Here, too, was a man - - The grand Mufti of Jerusalem was the Muslim Brotherhood representative for Palestine. These were undoubtedly Arab Nazis. The Grand Mufti, for example, went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called it the “Handjar” Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler’s new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arab peninsula from then on to Africa – grand dreams.

At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service. Then a horrible thing happened.
Instead of prosecuting the Nazis - - the Muslim Brotherhood - - the British government hired them. They brought all the fugitive Nazi war criminals of Arab
and Muslim descent into Egypt, and for three years they were trained on a special mission. The British Secret Service wanted to use the fascists of the Muslim Brotherhood to strike down the infant state of Israel in 1948.

Only a few people in the Mossad know this, but many of the members of the Arab Armies and terrorist groups that tried to strangle the infant State of Israel were the Arab
Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Britain was not alone. The French Intelligence service cooperated by releasing the Grand Mufti and smuggling him to Egypt, so all of the Arab Nazis came together. So, from 1945 to 1948, the British Secret Service protected every Arab Nazi they could, but they failed to quash the State of Israel.

What the British did then, they sold the Arab Nazis to the predecessor of what became the CIA. It may sound stupid; it may sound evil, but it did happen. The idea was that we were going to use the Arab Nazis in the Middle East as a
counterweight to the Arab communists. Just as the Soviet Union was funding Arab communists, we would fund the Arab Nazis to fight against. And lots of secret classes took place. We kept the Muslim Brotherhood on our payroll.

But the Egyptians became nervous. Nasser ordered all of the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egypt or be imprisoned, and we would execute them all. During the 1950’s,
the CIA evacuated the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood to Saudi Arabia. Now when they arrived in Saudi Arabia, some of the leading lights of the Muslim Brotherhood like Azzam, became the teachers in the Madrasas, the religious
schools. And there they combined the doctrines of Nazism with this weird Islamic cult, Wahhabiism.

Everyone thinks that Islam is this fanatical religion, but it is not. They think that Islam – the Saudi version of Islam - -is typical, but it’s not. The Wahhabi cult was condemned as a heresy more than 60 times by the Muslim nations.

But when the Saudis got wealthy, they bought a lot of silence. This is a very harsh cult. The Wahhabiism was only practiced by two nations, the Taliban and
Saudi Arabia. That’s how extreme it is. It really has nothing to do with Islam.

Islam is a very peaceful and tolerant religion. It has always had good relationships with the Jews for the first thousand years of its existence.

For the Saudis, there was a ruler in charge of Saudi Arabia, and they were the new home of the Muslim Brotherhood, and fascism and extremism were mingled in
these schools. And there was a young student who paid attention - - and Azzam’s student was named Osama Bin Ladin. Osama Bin Ladin was taught by the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood who had emigrated to Saudi Arabia.

In 1979 the CIA decided to take the Arab Nazis out of cold storage. The Russians had invaded Afghanistan, so we told the Saudis that we would fund them if they would bring all of the Arab Nazis together and ship them off to Afghanistan to fight the Russians. We had to rename them. We couldn’t call them the Muslim Brotherhood because that was too sensitive a name. Its Nazi cast was too known.
So we called them the Maktab al Khidimat il Mujahideen, the MAK. And the CIA lied to Congress and said they didn’t know who was on the payroll in Afghanistan, except the Saudis. But it was not true. A small section CIA knew
perfectly well that we had once again hired the Arab Nazis and that we were using them to fight our secret wars.

Azzam and his assistant, Osama Bin Ladin, rose to some prominence from 1979 to '89, and they won the war. They drove the Russians out of Afghanistan. Our CIA
said, �??We won, let’s go home!�?? and we left this army of Arab fascists in the field of Afghanistan.

Saudis didn’t want to come back. Saudis started paying bribes to Osama Bin Ladin and his followers to stay out of Saudi Arabia. Now the MAK split in half. Azzam was mysteriously assassinated apparently by Osama Bin Ladin himself. The radical group – the most radical of the merge of the Arab fascists and religious extremists – Osama called that al Qaeda. But to this day there are branches of the Muslim Brotherhood all through al Qaeda.
Osama Bin Ladin’s second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, came from the Egyptian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the results of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

There are many flavors and branches, but they are all Muslim Brotherhoods. There is one in Israel. The organization you know as "Hammas:is actually a secret
chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. When Israel assassinated Sheik Yassin a month ago, the Muslim Brotherhood published his obituary in a Cairo newspaper in
Arabic and revealed that he was actually the secret leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza.

So the Muslim Brotherhood became this poison that spread throughout the Middle East and on 9/11, it began to spread around the world. I know this sounds like some sort of a sick fantasy, but go to your computer and type in the words :Vanna,V-a-n-n-a" and the word “Nazi, N-a-z-i,” and you will see all of the articles come up. Those are all the pieces of information that the CIA was trying to hide from its employees. It did not want them to know the
awful past. So, in 1984, when I was exposing European Nazis on the CIA payroll, at the same time they were trying to hide from Congress the fact that they had
Arab Nazis back on the payroll to fight the Russians – a stupid and corrupt program.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?[/quote]

Actually, that’s arguable. Anywho, I imagine you support the rapidly growing local Iraqi/US alliances and their efforts to rid Iraq of said terrorists. I’m sure you’re rather angry at such individuals for attempting to derail the Iraqi’s people’s elected government. Unless you’re one of those arguing that Iraqi’s must be ruled by a murderous tyrant (Saddam) for their own good, types.

Yeah, I agree with Sloth. Your arguement doesn’t make sense. On one hand you say that as long as there is one man left in Iraq he will fight to see his country freed from the invaders.

On the otherhand, you condemn the “freedom fighters” as terrorists.

So which is it?

And if al-qaeda and foreign fighters make up only 10% of the insurrection against the US, and guns were not readily available under Saddam, then the insurrectionists must reasonably be the remnants of Saddam’s army and secret service, you know, the guys and gals marching in the streets with suicide vests on prior to the invasion…

If this is true, and foreign governments such as Iran are not arming the terrorists, they also by reasoning must have been trained in Saddam’s army.

So, yes, there were terrorists in Iraq before the war, they just terrorized people in a different fashion.

and even if you argue that they stole the weapons from a US depot, who trained the terrorists to use these weapons if not someone from Saddam’s old army.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?[/quote]

Yes it was. It was a haven for retired terrorists as well.

Did we have allies in Iraq helping us fight terrorism? No, we had Saddam paying $ 30,000 to the families of suicide bombers.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I did not read the article all the way through, but I have one of my own. Sorry, no link, it was sent to me via e-mail:

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an Irish-Catholic

I learned that many of the Nazis that I had been assigned to prosecute were on the CIA payroll, but the CIA didn’t know they were Nazis because the British Intelligence Service had lied to them.

[/quote]

The unbiased viewpoint of an Irish American Catholic.

The Battle of Khaybar was fought in the year 629 between Muhammad and his followers against the Jews living in the oasis of Khaybar

Otherwise an interesting read

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?[/quote]

You completely ignore the danger that Saddam himself represented. His history proved that he was capable of anything.

Saddam held a grudge against us and had vast financial resources. With a group like Al Qaeda available to be used as a proxy by states that hold a grudge against us we are facing a new type of threat. Because of this new type of threat Saddam needed to be taken out of the mix.

There was nothing to stop Saddam financing a group that called itself an Al Qaeda affiliate. We could have been losing thousands or millions of people and had those two playing us for suckers. We could have taken one major hit after another and been stuck playing the guessing game. We would have been saying was it really Osama? Or was it Saddam?.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
lixy wrote:

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?

Yes.[/quote]

That has the merit of being clear. Somehow, I can’t remember hearing about daily car bombs rocking Iraqi markets. Also, I can’t seem to recall any of those executions lamb-style prior to the invasion.

[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?

Was pre-2001 western Europe the Sleeper Cell manifesto that it is today?

My guess is no.

Once again, Europe: All Ur Base R Belong to Radical Islam!
[/quote]

I’ll take that as a no then.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Actually, that’s arguable. [/quote]

Thank God! Finally someone with a shred of intellectual honesty.

Awww, I was looking forward to hearing your arguments. Oh well…

But since you choose to divert the topic, let me just say that I don’t support the presence of US troops in Iraq. Even if they were sweating Spike and shitting gold, they’ll still have to get the fuck outa there. Iraq belongs to Iraqis.

It’s always nice to hear moratoriums or Iraqis kicking the ass of some Al-Qaeda cell. Still, I can’t help but remember who caused all this. That gets me really pissed.

I’ll tell you one thing: The Iraqi people’s elected government means squat to me as long as the elections were held in the presence of a heavy foreign military force on their ground.

Certainly not. But all this is besides the point. Saddam could have been dealt with without leveling the country, killing countless innocents, and alienating the whole world. As far as I know, Saddam accepted to exile himself.

The one thing that the Iraq war was sold on, was the so-called “war on terror”. Washington kept hammering down pictures of nuclear mushrooms and WMDs. The faith of the Iraqi people was a secondary concern. Of course, when the scam was exposed, everyone reverted to “spreading freedom” and “bringing democracy” to justify the carnage.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?

Yes it was. It was a haven for retired terrorists as well.

Did we have allies in Iraq helping us fight terrorism? No, we had Saddam paying $ 30,000 to the families of suicide bombers.[/quote]

Again with trying to amalgamate Al-Qaeda with the Palestinian resistance? Is that the best you can do?

[quote]lixy wrote:

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?

The Mage wrote:

Yes.

lixy wrote:

That has the merit of being clear. Somehow, I can’t remember hearing about daily car bombs rocking Iraqi markets. Also, I can’t seem to recall any of those executions lamb-style prior to the invasion. [/quote]

Are you even aware of what you are saying? Al-Qaeda wasn’t attacking until Saddam was gone. Interesting.

Why don’t they blow up car bombs outside Bin-Ladens tent? I assume you can figure that one out.

Besides, with all the genocide going on there, committed by Saddam, there was no need for car bombs. You didn’t blow people up, the military just picked them up, tortured them, raped the wives and children, and then lined them up for mass killings.

Zap had it right. Paying people for blowing themselves up to kill innocent people was the breeding ground for terrorists.

Yes I know you want to blame America, and Bush, for every single thing wrong with the world. (Even the made up shit.) How exactly can we create a bunch of crazy murderous loons who simply want to kill civilians? That takes brainwashing.

Anyway the whole statement is a foolish one. By fighting evil men, you are creating evil men. Therefore you should never fight evil men. Just leave them alone, and they will go away. Sorry, that only works for teeth.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Again with trying to amalgamate Al-Qaeda with the Palestinian resistance? Is that the best you can do?[/quote]

Resistance? They are resistance fighters? Not terrorists but resistance fighters?

Seriously take a look at this website. It is of a former Palestinian terrorist.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”

“The Arab refugees are being used as pawns’ to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel.”

“The Arab refugee problem was caused by Arab aggression and not Israel. Why should Israel be responsible for their fate?”

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?

Yes it was. It was a haven for retired terrorists as well.

Did we have allies in Iraq helping us fight terrorism? No, we had Saddam paying $ 30,000 to the families of suicide bombers.

Again with trying to amalgamate Al-Qaeda with the Palestinian resistance? Is that the best you can do?[/quote]

Your question was about terrorists. I answered your question. You are being intellectually dishonest. Again.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yet fools still believe if we go away with our tails between our legs they will leave us alone.

Whoever said that would indeed be a fool.

I have one question for you: Was pre-2003 Iraq the terrorist breeding ground that it is today?[/quote]

Yep. We’ve already had one gulf war. It’s not like any of the turmoil going on is new. Hell, the middle easterners have a history of attacking everyone else, even before they were muslims and the current political lines were drawn. Their attacks go back thousands of years.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
lixy wrote:

Again with trying to amalgamate Al-Qaeda with the Palestinian resistance? Is that the best you can do?

Resistance? They are resistance fighters? Not terrorists but resistance fighters?

Seriously take a look at this website. It is of a former Palestinian terrorist.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”

“The Arab refugees are being used as pawns’ to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel.”

“The Arab refugee problem was caused by Arab aggression and not Israel. Why should Israel be responsible for their fate?”[/quote]

Israel shaken by troops’ tales of brutality against Palestinians

A psychologist blames assaults on civilians in the 1990s on soldiers’ bad training, boredom and poor supervision

In the words of one soldier: ‘The truth? When there is chaos, I like it. That’s when I enjoy it. It’s like a drug. If I don’t go into Rafah, and if there isn’t some kind of riot once in some weeks, I go nuts.’

Another explained: ‘The most important thing is that it removes the burden of the law from you. You feel that you are the law. You are the law. You are the one who decides… As though from the moment you leave the place that is called Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel] and go through the Erez checkpoint into the Gaza Strip, you are the law. You are God.’

The soldiers described dozens of incidents of extreme violence. One recalled an incident when a Palestinian was shot for no reason and left on the street. ‘We were in a weapons carrier when this guy, around 25, passed by in the street and, just like that, for no reason - he didn’t throw a stone, did nothing - bang, a bullet in the stomach, he shot him in the stomach and the guy is dying on the pavement and we keep going, apathetic. No one gave him a second look,’ he said.

he soldiers developed a mentality in which they would use physical violence to deter Palestinians from abusing them. One described beating women. ‘With women I have no problem. With women, one threw a clog at me and I kicked her here [pointing to the crotch], I broke everything there. She can’t have children. Next time she won’t throw clogs at me. When one of them [a woman] spat at me, I gave her the rifle butt in the face. She doesn’t have what to spit with any more.’

Yishai-Karin found that the soldiers were exposed to violence against Palestinians from as early as their first weeks of basic training. On one occasion, the soldiers were escorting some arrested Palestinians. The arrested men were made to sit on the floor of the bus. They had been taken from their beds and were barely clothed, even though the temperature was below zero. The new recruits trampled on the Palestinians and then proceeded to beat them for the whole of the journey. They opened the bus windows and poured water on the arrested men.

'He grabbed the boy. I am a degenerate if I am not telling you the truth. He broke his hand here at the wrist, broke his leg here. And started to stomp on his stomach, three times, and left. We are all there, jaws dropping, looking at him in shock…

'The next day I go out with him on another patrol, and the soldiers are already starting to do the same thing."

That is how you create freedom fighters.

Um, terrorists, hating you for your freedom.