Mein Kampf (Adolf Hitler)

i saw some of those docu’s on the history channel.

the one part i’ll never forget was a live clip with a holocaust survivor. he was saying how the real evil wasn’t the obvious bad guys; wasn’t hitler or the ss. but the people of his home town !

suddenly, the mailman and the milkman and the doctor were all given death’s heads(pins)and because of that one day they were just going about their business and the next they were infected with by a surge of power and belief that they were “the master race”.

i used to think hitler was so nuts it’s borderline unbelieveable what he did. but what is even more insane is how many people, most of the country, went along with him and did the work for him.

it all clicked for me right there. patriotism gone sour. the mob mentality. no way i’m saying patriotism is a bad thing, but too much of a good thing certainly gets you to bad through the back door. and it can happen to anyone. that’s the lesson i take away from that show .

[quote]swivel wrote:
no way i’m saying patriotism is a bad thing, but too much of a good thing certainly gets you to bad through the back door. and it can happen to anyone. that’s the lesson i take away from that show .[/quote]

Well, then I’ll be the one who’s saying that patriotism is bad.
I see nothing good coming from it.

However, I do not wish patriotism wouldn’t exist anymore, that would be foolish. After all, it is part of human nature, like violence or lust. Only that it’s just more dumb.
The relatively new phenomenon of large scale patriotism will probably wane with time anyway.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
swivel wrote:
no way i’m saying patriotism is a bad thing, but too much of a good thing certainly gets you to bad through the back door. and it can happen to anyone. that’s the lesson i take away from that show .

Well, then I’ll be the one who’s saying that patriotism is bad.
I see nothing good coming from it.

However, I do not wish patriotism wouldn’t exist anymore, that would be foolish. After all, it is part of human nature, like violence or lust. Only that it’s just more dumb.
The relatively new phenomenon of large scale patriotism will probably wane with time anyway.[/quote]

ssssshhhh! ez dude ! around here there’s neo-cons on every corner…

It took me 4 and half years of struggle with lies and stupidity to get through that book :slight_smile:

Actually, if you see Hitler as someone who took the ideas of Fichte, Hegel (and Marx), Kant, and Nietzsche (in a bad mood) seriously, the book is brilliant. It’s not often we get to see the statist/socialist ideal fleshed out. It’s a blueprint of how an ubermensch can use these evil conceptions to rule the masses, telling how to trick the populace with ideas of community-before-self, brotherhood, and the usual hogwash.

What do you think socialism, communism, welfare-statism were invented for? To help the masses? LMAO!!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Actually, if you see Hitler as someone who took the ideas of Fichte, Hegel (and Marx), Kant, and Nietzsche (in a bad mood) seriously…
What do you think socialism, communism, welfare-statism were invented for? To help the masses? LMAO!![/quote]

Actually, it is not that easy, dear Headhunter.
Hitler took more than just some philosopher’s words and turned them skillfully around.
His whole era was full of exotic and bizarre ideas. Much of his philosophy, for example, was certainly based on Wagner and his fiction. And not to forget Madame Blavatsky and her creepy Ideology, which by the way , was symptomatic for his generations’s fascination of occult mysteries.

Hitler didn’t really carefully invent his Tolkien like pagan-fantasy-fiction ideology. Theories like that do only more in making Hitler some evil genius, who played around with people’s minds.

You may not like Communism. Still most intellectuals in the first half of 20th Century felt strong sympathy for it. Nobody would’ve thought it turned out to be such crap. Engels, Marx and the others didn’t know. I plead not guilty for them.

There are a lot of lessons from the Nazi’s that people fail to learn from.

America was where they got a lot of their ideas of eugenics. Forced sterilization of mental patients and so called undesireable races originated here in the US. It’s something to think about.

The whole concept of political theater that came from Goebbels is very popular with the Democrats and Republicans. I think our modern political rallies have a lot in common with the Third Riechs rallies.

The scariest thing about the Third Reich, is the people who say is the people who say it couldn’t happen here.

[quote]derek wrote:
It is interesting how a man of such apparent intelligence could be so insane. And if not intellegent, at least so powerful. An interesting human study at worst.[/quote]

Please keep in mind what I posted in the first place.

“apparent intellegence” and “if not intellegence, at least so powerful” and at worst an interesting human study.

Don’t want anyone thinking there is “Hitler worship” going on here!

Regarding the comments on Hitler’s writing ability; I never expected to be overwhelmed by this book. Just wanted more insight on what made him tick!

I never thought it was going to be able to compete with “War and Peace” ya know?

The History channel did an episode on Hitler’s drug use called A high Hitler, that really explained a lot about his behaviour.

Hitler’s doctor used to wake him up every morning with a shot of methamphetamine.

Much like any other Meth freak Hitler delusional and aggressive.

If he hadn’t been so tweaked out all the time, history might have been very different.

Doctors can be very dangerous with their use of drugs. One of the Columbine shooters was jacked up on phsychiatric drugs, look how that turned out.

Why didn’t Hitler drink tequila?

It made him mean.

If you want to learn about Nazism, the best book to read in my opinion is “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” by William L. Shirer. It is comprehensive and an easier read.

A condensed version can be found here :
http://www.btinternet.com/~glynhughes/squashed/hitler.htm

Never read it, mostly because I always hear how terribly it was written. I wouldn’t be able to get through the first few pages of it if it wasn’t coherent…if I want drivelings from a drugged up madman, I’ll buy Rush Limbaugh’s book.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Never read it, mostly because I always hear how terribly it was written. I wouldn’t be able to get through the first few pages of it if it wasn’t coherent…if I want drivelings from a drugged up madman, I’ll buy Rush Limbaugh’s book.[/quote]

That one belongs in my ‘Soaring Words’ thread. That WAS quality, Irish!

BTW: Did anyone get my joke about it taking 4 and a half years, the lies and stupidity bit? Curious.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Actually, if you see Hitler as someone who took the ideas of Fichte, Hegel (and Marx), Kant, and Nietzsche (in a bad mood) seriously…

What do you think socialism, communism, welfare-statism were invented for? To help the masses? LMAO!!

Actually, it is not that easy, dear Headhunter.
Hitler took more than just some philosopher’s words and turned them skillfully around.
His whole era was full of exotic and bizarre ideas.

Much of his philosophy, for example, was certainly based on Wagner and his fiction. And not to forget Madame Blavatsky and her creepy Ideology, which by the way , was symptomatic for his generations’s fascination of occult mysteries.

Hitler didn’t really carefully invent his Tolkien like pagan-fantasy-fiction ideology. Theories like that do only more in making Hitler some evil genius, who played around with people’s minds.

You may not like Communism. Still most intellectuals in the first half of 20th Century felt strong sympathy for it. Nobody would’ve thought it turned out to be such crap. Engels, Marx and the others didn’t know. I plead not guilty for them. [/quote]

Sure, Hitler was influenced by the occult. He also got a lot of money from old man Ford. The minister of Interior (I think) of Bavaria was bitching about a ‘rich, american capitalist’ funding the Nazis. Read ‘Henry Ford and the Jews’ (google it).

I still think my premise is sound: Hitler recognized that he could use statism/socialism to control the masses. He says in the book that an ‘elite’ is ‘building itself up’ to do just that. This elite will be ‘beyond good and evil’.

This is the danger of ANY powerful government; someone will figure out how to abuse it. This is one reason why I oppose Socialism, Communism, and any sort of welfare-state. Should we give a government managerial control over ourselves and/or our economy? It’s a death wish.

Also, Engels, Marx, and co. should have anticipated what someone with evil intent might do with their system. They had the capacity to know. GUILTY.

My grandad happens to have a copy of Mein Kamf that was signed inside the front cover by Hitler himself. It’s one of the original copies. Personally though, I have read some of the book and it’s very rambling and badly written as far as i’m concerned. Anyhow, if the U.S did ban the book it would be a complete disgrace. So much for freedom of speech.

The US has no intention of banning the book.

It is banned in parts of Europe.

Your kneejerk anti-US reactions show in almost every post.

Is any book banned in the USA? I can’t even think of how that’d occur. Hell, Osama could publish here and it couldn’t be banned.

i think “Mein Kampf” is the most popular book in the world compared to the amount of people who read it (nobody reads that crap, not even historians).

if you are really interested in this person and the backround of this time, Sebastian Haffner has written some very good books about it.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
And not to forget Madame Blavatsky and her creepy Ideology, which by the way , was symptomatic for his generations’s fascination of occult mysteries. [/quote]

Curious, but in what way was Blavatsky “creepy”?? Have you actually read her writings? Do you understand them? And are you religious? Dismiss Blavatsky if you will, but the dogma of every organized religion is built opon the foundation of occult mysteries. It all depends if you want to read “stories” or know the truth beneath the stories. Just as Hitler controlled the masses, religion does the same. Anyway, I’m a bit off topic - sorry.