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Mega Dosing BCAAs

Has anyone tried this and what results have they gotten? What dose did you use?

great question, as a regular user of these boards i’m curious as to the answer because i sure as hell have never seen such a topic before

Might be a good question to ask someone like Thibaudeau in the Authors board.

With credit to user DirtyRobot for the links and quotes, it has been asked of CT and here are his responses:

He’s mentioned it several times in both his Thib Zone and Thibs Gets Ripped.

Here’s one quote from page 291 of his Thib Zone http://www.T-Nation.com/...9303&pageNo=290

I’d bump up the ‘‘during dose’’ I have found a direct relationship between the amount of ‘‘during workout’’ BCAAs and muscle gain.

I was 213lbs 3-4 weeks ago and consuming 20g during; I bumped it to 50g and went up to 218 in 10 days and was a bit leaner. Then I bumped it again to 70g and I was 223lbs this morning (after 5 days at 70g). And this is with little changes in diet.

And here’s another from page 289 http://www.T-Nation.com/...9303&pageNo=288

To be effective you have to consume AT LEAST 0.2g of BCAA per kilo of bodyweight during that time, anything less… don’t bother. So if you are 200lbs (91kg) it means at least 18-20g of BCAA consumed during your workout (between sets).

BUT I found that with BCAAs there is a strong dose-effect relationship, meaning that the more you take, the more effective it is. Right now I’m at 10-15g pre-workout, 50g during the workout and 10-15g post-workout (total of around 70-80g). And the results are nothing short of amazing.

Please folks, use the search function. This topic has been discussed NUMEROUS times. The quotes I reposted are cut from a thread on 3-4-08.

cueball

Using BCAA’s post work out does really help muscle repair and growth but taking too many is only a waste. Your body can only utilize a certain amount at one time, the rest is lost through waste. My opinion is take them, but not mega dose them.

[quote]TuffGuy28 wrote:
Using BCAA’s post work out does really help muscle repair and growth but taking too many is only a waste. Your body can only utilize a certain amount at one time, the rest is lost through waste. My opinion is take them, but not mega dose them. [/quote]

Wrong. What is this top amount you think your body can use at one time and by what by basis did you come to this conclusion? Of course, there are diminishing returns to everything but the level for BCAAs is quite high.

To the OP, in my last period of gaining, I took 15g pre-workout. 24 g during workout. And 20g post-workout. [This is not including any BCAAs in Surge]. Some was Biotest capsules but most was powder. As well-priced as Biotest is for capsules, it would cost a fortune to do this protocol without powder. Anyhow, I gained 4 lbs of lean mass in 6 weeks as verified by DEXA scan. For a newbie, that’d be shit. But when you have a decent amount of muscle and have been lifting as long as I have, that’s pretty damn good without gear. And by far the best gains I’ve had in such a short timeframe in a long time.

[quote]TuffGuy28 wrote:
Using BCAA’s post work out does really help muscle repair and growth but taking too many is only a waste. Your body can only utilize a certain amount at one time, the rest is lost through waste. My opinion is take them, but not mega dose them. [/quote]

TuffGuy, did you not read my post? You know, the one with qoutes from CT saying EXACTLY opposite of your statement? And also, the best time to take them is DURING, not post.

A CT quote:
“I’d bump up the ‘‘during dose’’ I have found a direct relationship between the amount of ‘‘during workout’’ BCAAs and muscle gain.”

cueball

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
TuffGuy28 wrote:
Using BCAA’s post work out does really help muscle repair and growth but taking too many is only a waste. Your body can only utilize a certain amount at one time, the rest is lost through waste. My opinion is take them, but not mega dose them.

Wrong. What is this top amount you think your body can use at one time and by what by basis did you come to this conclusion? Of course, there are diminishing returns to everything but the level for BCAAs is quite high.

To the OP, in my last period of gaining, I took 15g pre-workout. 24 g during workout. And 20g post-workout. [This is not including any BCAAs in Surge]. Some was Biotest capsules but most was powder. As well-priced as Biotest is for capsules, it would cost a fortune to do this protocol without powder. Anyhow, I gained 4 lbs of lean mass in 6 weeks as verified by DEXA scan. For a newbie, that’d be shit. But when you have a decent amount of muscle and have been lifting as long as I have, that’s pretty damn good without gear. And by far the best gains I’ve had in such a short timeframe in a long time.[/quote]

All of the powders I have taken before tasted horrible, even when mixed with food products. What type of powder did you use and how did you go about taking it?

You are exactly right, 4lbs of muscle gained for an experience natural lifter = very solid results.

5g of Biotest caps = 4 pills right?

4.8g=4 pills I believe, so yeah about 5g

Danke

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I’m not going to tell you the taste is great but it is bearable. At least for me.[/quote]

Pff I mix it with water, wait for it to float to the top and eat it with a spoon.

[quote]cueball wrote:
With credit to user DirtyRobot for the links and quotes, it has been asked of CT and here are his responses:

He’s mentioned it several times in both his Thib Zone and Thibs Gets Ripped.

Here’s one quote from page 291 of his Thib Zone http://www.T-Nation.com/...9303&pageNo=290

I’d bump up the ‘‘during dose’’ I have found a direct relationship between the amount of ‘‘during workout’’ BCAAs and muscle gain.

I was 213lbs 3-4 weeks ago and consuming 20g during; I bumped it to 50g and went up to 218 in 10 days and was a bit leaner. Then I bumped it again to 70g and I was 223lbs this morning (after 5 days at 70g). And this is with little changes in diet.

And here’s another from page 289 http://www.T-Nation.com/...9303&pageNo=288

To be effective you have to consume AT LEAST 0.2g of BCAA per kilo of bodyweight during that time, anything less… don’t bother. So if you are 200lbs (91kg) it means at least 18-20g of BCAA consumed during your workout (between sets).

BUT I found that with BCAAs there is a strong dose-effect relationship, meaning that the more you take, the more effective it is. Right now I’m at 10-15g pre-workout, 50g during the workout and 10-15g post-workout (total of around 70-80g). And the results are nothing short of amazing.

Please folks, use the search function. This topic has been discussed NUMEROUS times. The quotes I reposted are cut from a thread on 3-4-08.

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I know very well what CT says. The point was I wanted other people’s experiences. CT is one person…granted a very knowledgeable one, but I simply was interested in if others had tried it and what worked.

bcaa megadosing is fucking expensive, it would have to make rainbows shoot out of your ass for me to even consider it.

[quote]cueball wrote:
With credit to user DirtyRobot for the links and quotes, it has been asked of CT and here are his responses:

He’s mentioned it several times in both his Thib Zone and Thibs Gets Ripped.

Here’s one quote from page 291 of his Thib Zone http://www.T-Nation.com/...9303&pageNo=290

I’d bump up the ‘‘during dose’’ I have found a direct relationship between the amount of ‘‘during workout’’ BCAAs and muscle gain.

I was 213lbs 3-4 weeks ago and consuming 20g during; I bumped it to 50g and went up to 218 in 10 days and was a bit leaner. Then I bumped it again to 70g and I was 223lbs this morning (after 5 days at 70g). And this is with little changes in diet.

And here’s another from page 289 http://www.T-Nation.com/...9303&pageNo=288

To be effective you have to consume AT LEAST 0.2g of BCAA per kilo of bodyweight during that time, anything less… don’t bother. So if you are 200lbs (91kg) it means at least 18-20g of BCAA consumed during your workout (between sets).

BUT I found that with BCAAs there is a strong dose-effect relationship, meaning that the more you take, the more effective it is. Right now I’m at 10-15g pre-workout, 50g during the workout and 10-15g post-workout (total of around 70-80g). And the results are nothing short of amazing.

Please folks, use the search function. This topic has been discussed NUMEROUS times. The quotes I reposted are cut from a thread on 3-4-08.

cueball[/quote]

Sorry but I clicked on the links and go back to the home page. I would really like to know more about bcaa supplementation. I currently take 9 a day and also take Surge or xtend during workouts. So I am kind of curious if I am taking in too much, or not enough and if taking too much will make one store fat.

Thanks in advance

I think you’re taking too much. I hear sciv’s extend is a good standalone product and you should probably just stick with that + the Surge.

Megadosing is not worth it, imo. If you really want to megadose though, use superior nutra’s BCAA, the most inexpensive powder i can find. Heads up though, it tastes awful!

I used to do 15g of bcaa after a workout with my whey and didn’t really notice a lot of difference.

When I get out of college the end of april I will be megadosing BCAA’s for the summer. So I can’t tell you until then.

I find that BCAA powder is more economical if you are on a budget, and as for the taste, if you mix it with Surge or a protein shake it doesn’t bother me. I mix it with those flavored no calorie juice powders (forget what they a re called but CT also reccomends it- I think) and they go down fine. and if you think about it, you can get a tub of BCAA powder thats 125 servings at 5 grams a serving for around 25 bucks and taking 25g of BCAA a day for 5 days a week is a 5 week supply.

CT says that you’re suppose to take at least 20g of BCAAs, or it is a waste of time and money. The more the better.

Figure out how many g of BCAAs u need to take by doing this formula, bw x .2

I am currently taking 40g of BCAAs and are noticing the difference.

[quote]Nutso wrote:
CT says that you’re suppose to take at least 20g of BCAAs, or it is a waste of time and money. The more the better.

Figure out how many g of BCAAs u need to take by doing this formula, bw x .2

I am currently taking 40g of BCAAs and are noticing the difference.[/quote]

Ok, so I need about 34 grams and there is about 5 grams per Biotest bcaa, right?

I started taking xtend due to the fact that i doesnt have the carbs that Surge has and when I am carb cycling and am on my low days I just take that instead of Surge. I take Surge on my higher carb days. I just think I may be taking in too much and don’t want to end up not losing body fat over too much aminos, I dont really know the science of it and dont know if its like food that when you have too much is stored as fat?

4 Biotest BCAA pills are 5 grams. so You will need to take 28-30 pills periworkout. Can be 7-8 pills pre and post and 14-15 pills during.

It doesn’t store as fat, it goes straight to your muscles.

As I recall from Carb Cycling, on low days, you’re suppose to have your carbs at PWO, so I would assume u need to take Surge during this window. Correct me if I’m wrong on this.

CT’s thoughts on Xtend…

[quote]Xtend is basically BCAAs, glutamine and citrulline malate. Anytime you add in more BCAAs you will get slightly better results; but a serving of Xtend only has a total of around 5g of BCAA, while SURGE already has 13g per serving.

I’m not against adding 5g of BCAA to SURGE, but I don’t like paying extra for ingredients that I don’t really want. Glutamine is a decent product IF YOU ARE ON A LOW-CARBS DIET because it can be used to restore muscle glycogen. But if you have carbs in your diet I wouldn’t bother with it. Citrulline malate is not really effective at 1g (serving size for the product). To notice any significant effect I recommend AT LEAST 3g. At that rate it will get pretty pricey for stuff that SURGE already does pretty well by itself.
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